On Mar 13, 3:18Â am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ...We are locked within our own very
>> limited concepts.
>
>> Coericion is plainly impossible now. We wouldn't allow it. It is
>> unconscionable. So how do we move to the next phase in  our
>> colonisation?
>
>> Only by the creation of - and acceptance of - a vast vision of a human
>> role in the future, a role in the future of the planet and,
>> ultimately, in the future of the universe.
>
>> Joseph Humming
>
> The Religion of Humanity becomes ...the true Positive religion, the
> only one capable of replacing Catholicism. Like the Catholic religion,
> Positivism will have its cult, its dogmas, its ceremonies, its
> "consecrations" or "social sacraments" by which to sanctify "all
> present phases of private life, systematically tying them to public
> life" (Positive Catechism). Months will take the meaningful names of
> Positive religion and the days of the week will be consecrated each to
> one of the seven sciences. Lay temples will be built (scientific
> institutes) and a Positive pope will exercise his authority on those
> who will be committed to the development of industries and to the
> practical use of discoveries. In Positive society woman will become
> the guardian and the source of the sentimental life of Humanity.
>
> Humanity will be the Great Being, space will be the Great Environment,
> and the earth the Great Fetish: this is the trinity of the Positive
> religion.
>
> COMTE - and "The Religion of Humanity"
http://membres.lycos.fr/clotilde/etexts/harrison/religion.htmhttp://www.najaf.org/english/book/8/2...
>
> Scientific & Technological
Utopianismhttp://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/SF/chrono.html
I wouldn't dare deny any of this. Just because it hasn't happened
already doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. The working out of
the forces inherent in the arrival of humanity takes time. Already
there are signs of the arrival of the Great Environment. Earth being
the Great Fetish is a cuirious conceit. I wonder what he meant.
>
> Scientific and technological utopia are set in the future, when it is
> believed that advanced science and technology will allow utopian
> living standards; for example,
>
> Â the absence of death and suffering;
> Â changes in human nature and
> Â the human condition.
>
> These utopian societies tend to change what "human" is all about.
> Technology has affected the way humans have lived to such an extent
> that normal functions, like sleep, eating or even reproduction, has
> been replaced by an artificial means.
>
> Other kinds of this utopia envisioned, include a society where human
> has struck a balance with technology and it is merely used to enhance
> the human living condition (e.g. Star Trek).
>
> Opposing this optimism is the prediction that advanced science and
> technology will, through deliberate misuse or accident, cause
> environmental damage or even humanity's extinction. Critics advocate
> precautions against the premature embrace of new technologies.
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
>
> Technological utopianism derived from the belief in technology --
> conceived as more than tools and machines alone -- as the means of
> achieving a 'perfect' society in the near future. Such a society,
> moreover, would not only be the culmination of the introduction of new
> tools and machines; it would also be modeled on those tools and
> machines in its institutions, values and culture
I think this idea has been rendered passe. We are more than the sum of
our tools. The vigour of human existence overrides particular
technologies.
>
> ...More clearly, more methodically and more intensely than any other
> group, the technological utopians espoused positions that a growing
> number (even a majority) of Americans during these 50 years were
> coming to take for granted, or wanted to: the belief in the
> inevitability of progress and the belief that progress was precisely
> technological progress.
>
> ...The utopians were not oblivious to the problems technological
> advance might cause, such as unemployment or boredom. They simply were
> confident that advancing technology held the solution to those
> problems and to other, chronic problems, including scarcity, hunger,
> disease and war. In addition, they assumed that technology would solve
> the psychological problems that were increasingly worrisome, such as
> aggression, crowding, rudeness, and social disorder.
>
> ...Despite its basis in modern technology, technological utopia was
> not to be a mass of sooting smokestacks, clanging machines, and
> teeming streets. The dirt, noise, and chaos that invariably
> accompanied industrialization in the real world were to give way in
> the future to perfect cleanliness, efficiency, quiet and harmony
>
> ...Connecting all sectors of the technological utopia would be
> superbly efficient transportation and communication systems, powered
> almost exclusively by electricity. These systems would enable widely
> dispersed citizens to live and work wherever they might choose. As one
> of them puts it, 'we have practically eliminated distances.' The
> specific means of transportation would include automobiles, trains,
> subways, ships, airplanes, even moving sidewalks. The means of
> communication would include pneumatic mail tubes, telephones,
> telegraphs, radios, and mechanically composed newspapers.
>
>
http://web.mit.edu/m-i-t/science_fiction/jenkins/jenkins_1.html
We have all of the above. But we also have unregenerate humanity. Our
underclass has a raw vigour that derides progress. Technology on its
own will not solve our difficulties. Employment is crucial, I feel.
Notwithstanding the prospect held forth of work-free societies the
reaslity seems to be that humans need occupation, in many senses.
Also, democracy has lost meaning for those same dispossessed people.
It's seen only as a game for the "included".. Also, we are without
felt value. Also, commerce - in the form of the media, advertising
industry, music industry etc - promotes disaffection. Also, drugs
pollute all.
To shift all of the above is a mammoth task.
Joseph Humming