On Jun 11, 10:07Â pm, "John Smith"
yahoo.com> wrote:>> Humanism and Theism are not diametrical opposites. Â If anything, they
>> are interpenetrating opposites.
>
> That's kind of meaningless, since it is ONLY zealous theists who bellow
> about "humanists".
> Though "Humanism" can be traced back to an organized group, in early 19th
> century America,
> it CERTAINLY does not mean that any and all that is not "theist" is humanist
> (contrary to what zealous believers pretend).
>
> IOW you are arguing a whole major belief system (theism) against a minor,
> flash in the pan, philosopy.
>
> As humans (some of us also aspire to
>
>> be more than human) we have no other standard to apply than humanism,
>> what is good for our race as we know it.
>
> Since there is absolutely NO evidence for ANY supernatural being - that is
> ALL anyone has.
> Delusional believers are the ones acting as though their, usually
> egomaniacal, beliefs mean something more.
>
> We don't know what animals
>
>> experience and we don't know what angels experience.
>
> Anghel are a fairy tale. They "experience" nothing.
>
> We certainly
>
>> don't know what some ephemeral spirit on Mt. Sinai experiences.
>
> Particularly since that is just another of those unsupported fairy tales.
>
> I
>
>> conclude that we are right to apply standards of humanism to anything
>> that ingresses into our human world.
>
>> That does NOT mean, however, that we in any sense reject Theism. Â We
>> can recognize full well that although we play a central role in our
>> human world, our human world is not self-sufficient.
>
> Never heard any reason that mankind NEEDS (for its existence) some invented
> supernatural fantasy.
>
> We do not keep
>
>> our own bodies alive, apart from some basic laws of health and well-
>> being.
>
> Since no one died for not having a god (other than being murdered by god
> believers),
> obviously being human is all that is necessary.
>
> You have ANY evidence otherwise?
>
>>That is done for us by what or who we know not. Â We do not
>> create our own consciousness or sustain the integrity of our minds or
>> souls. Â So it is right to be open to any and all claims at a higher
>> reality and stage of experience. Â We must weigh those claims according
>> to the standard of humanism, because we simply have no other viable
>> standard to act upon.
>
> You have given NO valid evidence - only bellowing claims - that these
> assertions, about the "supernatural" have anything to do with fact and
> reality.
>
>> It is easy to simply read the Old Testament and recognize
>
> it as nothing more than ancient fairy tales, fables and fantasies.
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fuck off shit wad if you weren't there you don't know, and I couldn't
give a flying leotard if you do. your just either a stupid human
(which is forgivable) or an even dumber demon who just can't tolerate
the idea that you got a spanking coming or do you.
all the recent signs point to yes you do, go back to sticking your
head in the sand.
Anywho no disrespect to the Jehovah, and i understand not idolizing
him in form, but by character he seems a lot like Galactus. Yeah thats
the looniest idea possible, but if you examing the orthonormal facts,
it is indeed.... not going to tell you mwhahaha
Nonetheless big stellar crap happens but thats no reason for people to
whine about it, chances are you won't even notice... probably won't
care.
Or will you?
