> "Robert Cohen" msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9b3a00cd-2b9d-4977-9f46-c72ab2241d19@c49g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 22, 11:42 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
>

>> This is an interesting, favorable book review of JEWS and POWER by
>> Ruth Wisse

>

>>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/477...

>
> Anti-Jewish theses-feces a la Topaz implicitly & negatively of course
> make an argument (imho, THE argument) for the existence of modern
> zionism (Israel).
>
> Hitler allegedly had postured that no country wanted many (if any)
> European Jews, and, gosh-damne, that  appears to have been horribly
> true.
>
> That's also surely why a United Nations majority voted circa 1947-1948
> for a modern Israel.
>
> I acknowledge the UN is seemingly by majority now rather anti-Israel.
>
> In other words, the myriad of anti-Jews--whether from left or from
> right or from wherever--is ipso facto manifest proof of the rationale
> for exitence of Israel.
>
> Rejoinder: Isn't Israel's "bad" behavior the dynamic cause of much of
> today's anti-Jewish attitudes?
>
> My perception: Israelis are seemingly nearly paranoiac, and I hold not
> an irrational near paranoia.
>
> As per:
>
> When the President of Iran and/or Hamas etal say, Israel should be
> wiped off the map, such is not
> sloughed-off..
>
> Hello Mr. Cohen.
> I shouldn't engage in this kind of thread as I work myself into a goo much
> like Briar Rabbit did the tar baby.  I consider myself an 'innocent'
> bystander just trying to figure out what the hell all this is about [life,
> this place].  But as so, I never have associated myself with ANY
> camp...good, bad, or indifferent.
>
> I've had anti-semitism in my family...not rampant...just some individuals,
> an uncle, a cousin...here and there.  Their argument was always how Jews
> 'ruin' life for the common denizens of entire nations.  I never took much
> stock in what they had to say.  My Grandmother pushed religion on us at an
> early age and I am thankful for the values that were instilled in me.
> People lambast the Church today for many reasons, but whatever wrongs that
> have existed, they miss the deeper and much more impacting source of VALUES
> the church has been to human civilization.
>
> Something has, in my lifetime, RUINED this once great society we had going
> here called America.  I've seen it happen right before my eyes...slowly, but
> inexoriably over time...slow, amoebic paced inroads from leftist thinking
> factions year after year, until at some undescernable demarcation point,
> this society was no longer the one I was born into, but something now alien
> and chaotic and far more ugly in scope than what I once knew.
>
> It was no longer the home of my heritage, my ancestors, my lineage...MY
> home...but now taken from the founding elements and given over to the world
> at large, bringing in a cacaphony of noise, dischord, commercialism,
> prurient debasement, and all things assaultive of that single most important
> element of living...the Family.
>
> I could have just marked it up to 'change'.  Surely that was what my mind
> was being primed for since early on...for that became a 'calling card' in
> our education system...CHANGE...change, change, change...they were driving
> into our heads like a Svengali attempting to mesmerize a zombie.  I thought
> even back then, how 'odd' this preoccupation trying to prime us with this
> idea of 'change'.
>
> The demarcation was not so slow as to not be recognizable, and those astute
> [which I think I was] noticed in a big way a new lean...on news programs, in
> the classroom, in the media in general.  BIAS.  A particular point of view
> was being promoted...instigated, installed...And it was so liberal as to
> undermine all things of tradition, of static established condition that one
> might term 'way of life'; OUR way of life as established from our forebears.
>
> It is hard to justify progressivism when it means that no anchor can be
> allowed, no 'time' allotted for the simple enjoyment of existence in a 'way
> of life' that all societies establish by way of thier innate identity.
>
> Political correctness was born and a new mindset as Secular
> Liberalsm...which now has become secular progressivism.
>
> Question is, for me, was this 'natural change'...a free, random interaction
> of people deciding millions of times a day in free dealings with one another
> that promoted change to evolve as 'nature' intended.  Or...was this change a
> product of INTENT by powerful entitied factions in our midst [which plays
> into at least the one angle that Topaz presents]?
>
> Most people under 30 would have no idea what I'm talking about here of
> course, for they have grown up under the influences of this secular
> liberalism.  They see the old guard as ignorant and boobish, for they have
> been trained to see that way.  But what they will never know is the grearter
> harmony that once existed here, where things like Family and the social
> fiber of a nation was strong, and a certain vital healthiness was
> experienced.  Today, we seem far more decrepid, reduced to animal longings
> like pornography, homosexuality, and all things anti-family.  These kids
> will never know...but those who remember, can only feel this great great
> sense of LOSS.
>
> What caused all this.  I am quite convinced it was not RANDOM...but by
> design.  I saw it unfold.  I saw the changes and they were not an even flow
> as one might expect if things were simply evolving.  No, there has been
> subtrafuge here...and we have been undermined from within as a nation.  I am
> totally convinced of this.
>
> Cultural Marxism is one source that has been named and explained by those
> with more powerful minds that might understand something of all this.  Topaz
> and others like him, have another explanation [or perhaps the two
> explanations coincide at some common point, not sure?].
>
> I still don't know what is going on, or why.  I just know of the horrible
> pain this has been...the demoralization, the disallusionment, the
> loss...that great overwhelming sense of LOSS when one's entire heritage and
> all the things you ever believed in, have been 'sold out'...bartered off to
> the highest bidder.  All matter of human empathy screams out at the great
> and terrible injustice that has taken place...and my forebears, meaning all
> well and good to this world, no matter their faults, to have been now so
> easily sabotaged and their names and memories violated and destroyed in the
> eyes...even in the eyes of much of their own progeny that now exists.
>
> This is the horrible swill that is now forced upon our very children, their
> own birthright taken from them by the very schools [especially of higher
> education] that we, ourselves built. And they are now being taught to hate
> their very selves...and all that brought them thus far.
>
> It seems to me now that Jews are about CHANGE...what some might argue as
> 'progressive'...except that as time is sped up, no 'way of life' can be
> established...BY ANYONE.  It assigns all humans to cacaphony...chaotic
> surroundings...and a loss of tranquility.   Those dis-established might
> think all that has gone down to bring down Euro-America is a 'good thing',
> for they see the possibility of their own establishment.  But no one will be
> able to set root in this whirlwind we now have about us...this progressive
> progressivism that is becoming more chaotic by the day.
> Unless...well...perhaps the Jews?
>
> Is there an 'end' to it all?  I mean this rapidly accelerating 'change'?  Or
> does it just continue to speed up...more and more and more...until life is a
> dither...where we cannot even get out of bed in the morning without some
> sense of harmony and peace for the day; where all we have to look forward to
> is strife, penance, and misery?  I realize technology spurs a lof of
> this...and that is natural.  We can handle that I think.  But our
> values...where human dignity and character is established or uprooted; where
> family relations can mature and promulgate [or bring us down]...where
> traditions can give us anchor, and a WAY OF LIFE become established enough
> that we feel AT HOME in our own surroundings...it is these things where
> change at such overwhelming speed will not allow to take set...to endure.
>
> The Jew perhaps operates on a different time clock than most of  us? I
> dunno.  They are probably impatient for a world to evolve.  But to what?
> Earth...a home for Jews?  Or Earth...a home for everybody?  I know I cannot
> exist at this pace.  All seems lost to me...no sanctity...no peace...just
> drudgery and pain now.
>
> I'm reminded of Oliver Twist...trekking to the headmaster and bashfully
> holding his plate out, "More Sir...can I have more"?  I don't know if a
> headmaster exists out there in the expanses of the cosmos...in the miseries
> of Kantian space-time enshrouded in the mysts of ghosts and holy
> sanctions...but I would humbly hold my plate out, to whatever can hear
> me...and I would say, 'More sir...humbly more'.  There is no longer a life
> here on this planet for those as me.  [the worst of course, as I have been
> outspoken about here, is what has been done to my woman..]
>
> But...that's me I suppose.