On Aug 8, 6:36 pm, moviePig
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>>> On Aug 8, 11:18?am, "Kingo Gondo"
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>>>> is it cuz of the republican/democrat propertarian pressure lobbies?
>>>> vietnam for instance only had green berets during the entire 15 years
>>>> of war. mash was produced off-hollywood.
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>>> It was? In what sense?
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>>> Also, technically, it was set in Korea, although I don't think you hear the
>>> word, but it was scrolled by, once, at the very beginning, I think ("And
>>> then there was Korea....").
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>>> Hollywood had no previous experience (is there any other kind?) in making
>>> films about increasingly unpopular wars that the US was losing. Maybe they
>>> will do better this time with one under their belt. But it is more
>>> chickenshit than it was then, so don't count on it.
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>> Chickenshit, maybe, but how many war movies make money anyway?
>> Eastwood's Iwo Jima movies tanked even with the good reviews. And
>> it's maybe too much to expect audiences to pay money to see something
>> about a war they can see for free every day on the news (except for
>> maybe Fox, where it's buried under a mountain of stories about missing
>> teenage girls and celebrity meltdowns). It's the same reason we
>> don't get more movies about Arabic terrorists. Movies are escapist.
>> It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness or kow-
>> towing to pressure groups no matter what people like Rich say. We
>> don't want to be reminded about how crappy things are when we go to
>> the movies.
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> Also, for better or worse, the concepts of (e.g.) "Fox news" and
> "liberal media" have forced into the public awareness that
> fictionalizations about this stuff aren't really the commodity that's
> in short supply...
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sirbl has a point about "green berets," as i recall the jphn wayne and
david jensen flick, and its popular-catchy rah rah song by barry
sandler
the past>
a side political-entertaihnment factor: "mash" was first an arty
robert altman absurdist movie, then a tv "dramatic comedy" or
absurdist drama a la catch 22 circa the era: elliot gould played the
"alan alda tv character"
mash expllcitly satirized the korean war, thought a lot of onlookers
(me included), bacause criticism of nam by hollywood was essentially a
poltical
taboo,
so--it was an open secret, i suppose--we got MASH movie and the tv
series, instead of of a "saigon insanity" screen depiction
until seemingly grandfatherly/uncle tv anchor jockey walter cronkite's
changed sttitude provoked by the tet offensive, circa feb 1968 and
also the disclosures about "my lai (sp?)" demoralized the awful
situation of nam for americans, plus the sad b.s. and ugly truths
revealing "pentagon papers" were courageously or treasonously re-
published by the ny times (when?)
movies i vaguely recall toward the end of the sixties and thereafter--
ya could look 'em up somewhere
i think i saw or read about these three anti-war tragedies in the 70s
(exactly when?)
"coming home." starring jane fonda and bad pitt's wife's father (who
was pathetic ratzo's pathetic buddy in "midnight cowboy")
"full metal jacket"
"the deer slayer"
