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Author: ecoman
Date: Dec 5, 2007 03:30

On Nov 29, 12:51 pm, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:
> My neck of Ozark woods was used by the Osage for a long time as a
> hideout while they treated all other Native American tribes, most
> notably the Caddo, like prey animals. the Nazis had nothing on the
> Osage, who attacked a village, murdered all the men and kids, used the
> women as pack animals to haul the loot back into the hills, and when
> done raping them, killed them.
>
> They had a very successful eugenics program, were noted for their
> stature. the kind of insane bloodlust seen among the Aztecs was not
> that unique. The Dakota were famous for hanging themselves by meat
> hooks. America was a very diverse place. The Hopi and Navajo look a
> lot like the peaceful early Anatolians, but that was only after the
> disaster at Chaco Canyon, where when food got short, the rich began
> eating the poor. Other work shows corn was introduced from Mexico a
> little over 2000 years ago.
>
> At first, there was a network of independent yeoman farms; but then
> these began to be built with the houses abutting each other for
> obvious defensive purposes, and this eventually resulted in the cliff
> dwellings. Which nobody would have bothered with were the human
> predation not such a severe problem.
>
> in my area, the introduction of horses resulted in the Caddo giving up
> the farming business entirely and moving west to go into the Buffalo
> business. Since the Osage lost their favorite prey animals, they tried
> to repeat their methods further East and North. This drove the other
> tribes up there, who'd been chronically fighting with each other, to
> unite, and a grand alliance was formed. They even advertised in the
> St. Louis Newspapers for white mercenaries to go with them into the
> Ozarks to clean up.
>
> A lot did, and the genocide would have been complete had not General
> White brokered a treaty at Ft. Smith in 1828, which moved the Osage
> out and into their own reservation in OK, with other tribes getting
> other parts of OK, NB, and KS. Then, during the Cherokee Trail of
> Tears, many dropped out and were fed by the new settlers (Scots/Irish)
> in the Ozarrks, and their interbred descendants are still here. If you
> ask all of the other Native American tribes, they'd agree that they'd
> rather have the whiteman here than the Osage.
>
> The area never had slaves, and even seceded from the Confederate
> government in Little Rock during the civil war. Neither the Cherokee,
> nor the whites here have interbred with Hispanics & Blacks. And seeing
> the problems that higher melanin cultures have, they seem to want to
> keep it that way. Former gov. Clinton started a broadband and computer
> program for the schools, but other than that, the schools never did
> adopt the policies of "modern education". Commonly, when you take your
> child to register, you notice the pine paddle hung on the back wall of
> the offices. You can sign a form to prevent it from being used on your
> kid, but no bully would dare wimp out like that. I was notified when
> it was used on my son. I was also notified when later, he got a
> perfect score on the ACT. 20%% of his class graduated at the 95th
> percentile using these antiquated methods.
>
> And when you surf the stats on these small hill town schools, like
> Alread, Bee Branch, Clinton, Deer, Eureka Springs, Flippin, Greer's
> Ferry, Heber Springs, and so on thru the alphabet... if you know
> anything about statistics, the numbers just jump out at you. Zero
> rates of violence. dropout rates in the single digits. Attendance at
> 95%%, graduation rates near 90%%.http://normessasweb.uark.edu/reportcards/select.php
> The Cherokee are so interbred they cant be sorted out, so the
> population is listed as 99%% white. I do see a few rebel flags on poles
> in the farm yards, and decals on some pickup trucks, but I never hear
> anyone make racist comments. There are no minorities here to bring the
> subject up.
>
> I dunno how much to sort out the genetic reason. The Cherokee were
> somewhat unique in that they already had an ongoing yeoman farming
> culture under development when the whiteman arrived. And when they
> married the Scots/Irish- the agrarian technologies, as well as many of
> the domestic plant varieties, were combined very successfully.
>
> Its worth considering that there are two European tribes which were
> not farmers, but nomadic: Saami & Gypsies. And both have the same
> problems with crime, drug abuse, domestic abuse, alcoholism, et al as
> other non-white minorities. Who were also not from yeoman farming
> traditions. Jared Diamond, in "Guns, Germs, & Steel", notes that the
> Zulu were also well on their way to an agrarian lifestyle when the
> Brits showed up, and were much more able to organize in trying to
> defend their interests.
>
> There are important lessons learned in childhood on the farm that have
> now been lost by 99%% of the American population. One reason the Ozark
> hill towns do so well is that the region is still small family farms.
> The land is too steep for agribusiness. It'd be interesting to try to
> find areas that still have lots of Black family farms to see what
> their stats are. I did hear Robt Kaplan, who wrote a study of the
> military, "Imperial Grunts" note that half the Green Berets grew up on
> family farms. This is but 1%% of the total population providing 50%% of
> the nation's most competent soldiers. You'd think the Pentagon would
> notice.
>
> Part of the DNA evidence is the fact that Native Europeans evolved in
> rural villages of 150-300 over the course of the last 10,000 years,
> with Africans in tribes of 75-150 over the last million or whatever.
> People are not instinctively equipped to deal with mass metro culture.
> After a few hundred people, they cant remember who everyone is, and
> need to rely on status symbols to know how to relate. We know what
> kind of trouble this has caused. But out in my neck of woods, if a
> jackass buys a new 4X4 to impress the girls, it dont work. They know
> who he is, and he's still a jackass. As a result, a lotta these
> jackasses have gotten in the truck and moved to the city. For which
> we are grateful.
>
> Free speech dont matter because corporate speech buys all the air
> time. I keep saying that its not upta me, or even us. The sheeple will
> vote for whoever the mass media tells them to as long as the money to
> buy the junk food and pay the cable bill is there. I spend some time
> in the postings looking at the fringe groups like the neoNazis, who
> will come out of the woodwork big time if there is economic crisis as
> a result of the ineptitude, group think, and corruption.
>
> I cant evaluate the risk of collapse cause I dunno where to go to get
> data that has not been spun by the powers that be. Malthus turned out
> to be wrong because he never foresaw the ability of oil to be used to
> ramp up food production. If you look at the photos of classic ruins in
> the National Geo a century ago, the backgrounds are full of scrub that
> barely supported goat herders. Nitrogen, Phosphorus, & Potash changed
> all that, and played out land is productive again. but now... we are
> past Hubbard's peak, and the global grain supply will barely last til
> the next harvest. Nobody knows what global warming will do to the next
> one.
>
> Diamond, in "Collapse" shows how Tokugawa took power because of an
> environmental crisis in Japan and dealt with it far more effectively
> than any democracy could have. He butchered the loggers to stop the
> clear cutting. that worked. So- a crisis need not produce a Hitler,
> altho there are plenty of neoNazis and Jackasses who hope for that.

Day Brown hughes.net> wrote: etc,etc....
Above all what one has read here almost for the first time (in a
long time) is a very interesting and non-insultative discussion over
very important elements of issues that have amongst other things
destroyed millions of lives and caused endless senseless damage...one
might think we are born just to be killed one way or the other as
though in a routine cycle of maintained human ignorance to a better
way....though....of course there would be those who would suggest that
all that has passed is not ignorance but arrogance... and so
manipulated.

Ignorance and arrogance are like a wedded pair of essentially violent
dummies wherein arrogance tries to hide ignorance but ignorance gives
away arrogance..

Whatever...there is much truth read in all the posts and that is to be
welcomed for as much as anything one needs the stability of truth to
counter the instability of lies/untruths...where we all go now is with
a certain disgust for homo sapien sp..and shame for all the violence
that has so much negative energy...what peeves me about the Jew and
the Zionist is that they are one and seemingly indivisible in a frenzy
for some kind of domination that they ought not to have nor believe in
as somehow God given in a book that "man" wrote...

I am not anti-semetic, but doubtless I´ll get it thrown at me from
somewhere...I am not racist in the clear sense but I am skeptic of the
level of consciousness of claimant groups or cultures that define as
their root a dominace per-se over others.

So now there will be a new fight/struggle for humanity one that will
not result in any easy or probable solution with an excess of us to
feed and maintain against a backdrop of destruction against the very
ecology that we need...so whats new...historically we´ve been
perpetually looking inwards and now we´ll have to look outwards whilst
all about goes away we´ll also probably go mad( or madder than we are
and enter a state of cultured senility).

Whatever/whoever armagedonists are the armagedonism is being cultured
to such an extent that it will come upon the human race irrespective
of culture,group or religion and be simply a question of lasting out
in a probable fruitless hope of individual survival by simply killing
off the next one who will drink the rare water and eat the rare
food...if nothing else mass starvation watched by those who still ahav
it in tins and packets till their turn comes around.

Governments will do nothing as these are full of politicians grabbing
the money to run...to nowhere...but they believe otherwise. Meanwhile
the next hype arrogantly set-up by Al Gore et-al, is the Climate
Warming Politic where there will be mega bucks to be made but zilch
real effect...when companies like Monsanto can poison the environment
and all stand as was stated in an above post, doing sweet f-a, we
shall see the same fight on a different level.

One thing that the computer technology could do is turn all this into
virtual life, the people to create a better justice and the justice to
intern all the aggressionists to a perpetuity of virtual experience in
a spread hammock where their arrogance can be abated in their
fantasies of dominance over other humam beings...nice dream but we
need something to dfispose of their presence from a more Ozark way of
life..

Day Brown amongst others I have noted has always something interesting
to say..he/she always gets a lot of flack from the fear mongers and
insultists who have nothing better to say...this arrogance is their
fear, their ignorance and perpetuity of aforesaid as they will never
get to know better....unfortunately the bliss of ignorance is the
great mass of multi-coloured flesh that sits glutinously at the mercy
of their arrogant and elitest leaders promising evermore gluttony at
the expense of lesser abled peoples, who in turn have their own
internal problems and pashas of localized powers.

One could welcome armageddon - the day of reckoning to act as a
massive enema on the human race to purge the natural world of an
ambivalent virus...I have written it before and will repeat it that I
shall not be sorry to leave humanity behind me...more I will be sorry
leave this beautiful world which my fellow humans take such delight in
destroying for their gluttony, avarice, greed and arrogance.

We will never have deserved this world we call earth...Hitler was
another dominant destroyer manipulated by an elitism of money grabbing
bankers and political greed merchants...his reign with others of his
ilk created destruction, not growth nor betterment. Jews amongst
others were people who died in camps irrespective of how it was or
wasnt done...millions died as a result of a certain greed and
perverseness by those who would have it taken away from them . Other
homo sapien sp.
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