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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Dec 4, 2007 07:24
On Dec 4, 4:53 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> "zinnic" wrote:
>> Prove that there is no consciousness
>> in the absence of neurological tissue.
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> If you can provide neither logical support nor empirical evidence for a
> proposition, then no conclusion can be drawn either way. This is the case
> with the proposition that "there is no consciousness in the absence of
> neurological tissue". The logical fallacy is exposed here:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent
If you are 'sold' on logical fallacies, start at the beginning and
provide logical support and empirical evidence that logic exists in
the absence of neurological function.
Zinnic
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Date: Dec 4, 2007 08:21
"zinnic" wrote:
> "andy-k" wrote:
>> "zinnic" wrote:
>>> Prove that there is no consciousness
>>> in the absence of neurological tissue.
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>> If you can provide neither logical support nor empirical evidence for a
>> proposition, then no conclusion can be drawn either way. This is the case
>> with the proposition that "there is no consciousness in the absence of
>> neurological tissue". The logical fallacy is exposed here:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent>
> If you are 'sold' on logical fallacies, start at the beginning and
> provide logical support and empirical evidence that logic exists
> in the absence of neurological function.
So you prefer to draw logically unsound conclusions on the grounds that
logic can't be shown to exist in the absence of neurological function?
Say no more ;-)
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Dec 5, 2007 06:52
On Dec 4, 10:21 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> "zinnic" wrote:
>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>> "zinnic" wrote:
>>>> Prove that there is no consciousness
>>>> in the absence of neurological tissue.
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>>> If you can provide neither logical support nor empirical evidence for a
>>> proposition, then no conclusion can be drawn either way. This is the case
>>> with the proposition that "there is no consciousness in the absence of
>>> neurological tissue". The logical fallacy is exposed here:
>
>
>> If you are 'sold' on logical fallacies, start at the beginning and
>> provide logical support and empirical evidence that logic exists
>> in the absence of neurological function.
>
> So you prefer to draw logically unsound conclusions on the grounds that
> logic can't be shown to exist in the absence of neurological function? ...
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Dec 5, 2007 20:31
On Dec 5, 5:37 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:>> On Dec 5, 2:26 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:>>> "zinnic" gate.net> wrote in message>
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>>>> On Dec 5, 11:04 am, "andy-k" wrote:
>>>>> "zinnic" wrote:
>>>>>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>>>>>> "zinnic" wrote:
>>>>>>>> If you are 'sold' on logical fallacies, start at the beginning
>>>>>>>> and ...
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Date: Dec 5, 2007 22:00
"thinker" wrote:
Refreshingly decent essay!
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Author: ArtArt Date: Dec 6, 2007 03:58
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:00:58 GMT, "andy-k" wrote:
>"thinker" wrote:
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>Refreshingly decent essay!
Except for the author's claim that it is now beyond reasonable dispute
that consciousness does not exist following the cessation of brain
activity. Quiite to the contrary, there is mounting evidence that
consciousness _does_ exist during clinical death. There is also
very solid evidence suggestive of reincarnation.
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Date: Dec 6, 2007 04:39
"Art" wrote:
> "andy-k" wrote:
>>"thinker" wrote:
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>>Refreshingly decent essay!
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> Except for the author's claim that it is now beyond reasonable dispute
> that consciousness does not exist following the cessation of brain
> activity.
Yes, and that isn't the only criticism I'd make of the essay,
but having said that the author does go on to give a decent
overview of the state of play in the field of consciousness studies.
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Dec 6, 2007 06:09
> On Dec 5, 5:37 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:>>> On Dec 5, 2:26 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:>>>> "zinnic" gate.net> wrote in message>>
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>>>>> On Dec 5, 11:04 am, "andy-k" wrote:
>>>>>> "zinnic" wrote:
>>>>>>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "zinnic" wrote: ...
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Dec 6, 2007 06:09
> "thinker" wrote:
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> Refreshingly decent essay!
I wish I were as articulate.
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Author: Tony DiPipanoneTony DiPipanone Date: Dec 6, 2007 22:06
"Art" wrote:
> Except for the author's claim that it is now beyond reasonable
> dispute that consciousness does not exist following the cessation
> of brain activity. Quiite to the contrary, there is mounting evidence
> that consciousness _does_ exist during clinical death. There is
> also very solid evidence suggestive of reincarnation.
Curiously, that essay reminds me very much of where I was at in my own personal
struggle with the mind-matter relation some years back. I, too, would have organized
the field into the same shape that...
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