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Re: Hey JJ [JohnJones] As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 4, 2008 23:34

On Aug 5, 2:05 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 10:52 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> On Aug 5, 1:38 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
>>> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
>>> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
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>>> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
>>> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
>>> medication visits, he explained.
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>>> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
>>> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
>>> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
>>> psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
>>> percent to 11 percent.
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>>> ...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
>>> invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...
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>>> ...By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which
>>> has comparable if not better outcomes...
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>>> ...Psychotherapy uses verbal methods to get patients to explore their
>>> emotional life, thoughts or behavior. The goal is to ease symptoms,
>>> sometimes through getting the patient to change behavior or mental
>>> habits.
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>>> Its benefits can be seen in brain imaging studies, said Dr. Eric
>>> Plakun, who leads an American Psychiatric Association committee
>>> working to restore interest in psychotherapy by psychiatrists.
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>>> ...other professionals are picking up the slack, ...Psychologists and
>>> social workers provide counseling but most cannot prescribe drugs, so
>>> it's possible that for patients who require both talk and pills, some
>>> coordination in care may be lost, Mohr said.
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>> The drugs are a cheap fix. All "material" things are "drugs" when you
>> think about it. The Stories.
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> You need to define "drug" else you -equivocate- me
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> The article was talking about pharmaceutical prescription drugs your
> talking about general influences upon neural activities;
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> Fallacy of four terms
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> The fallacy of four terms (Latin: quaternio terminorum) is the logical
> fallacy that occurs when a categorical syllogism has four terms.
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> Valid categorical syllogisms always have three terms:
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> Major premise: All fish have fins.
> Minor premise: All goldfish are fish.
> Conclusion: All goldfish have fins.
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> Here, the three terms are: "goldfish," "fish," and "fins."
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> Using four terms invalidates the syllogism:
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> Major premise: All fish have fins.
> Minor premise: All goldfish are fish.
> Conclusion: All humans have fins.
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> The premises don't connect "humans" with "fins", so the reasoning is
> invalid. Notice that there are four terms: "fish", "fins", "goldfish"
> and "humans". Two premises aren't enough to connect four different
> terms, since in order to establish connection, there must be one term
> common to both premises.
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> In everyday reasoning, the fallacy of four terms occurs most
> frequently by equivocation: using the same word or phrase but with a
> different meaning each time, creating a fourth term even though only
> three distinct words are used:
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> Major premise: Nothing is better
>  than complete happiness.
> Minor premise: A ham sandwich is
>  better than nothing.
> Conclusion: A ham sandwich is better
>  than complete happiness.
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> The fallacy of four terms is a syllogistic fallacy. Types of syllogism
> to which it applies include statistical syllogism, hypothetical
> syllogism and categorical syllogism, all of which must have exactly
> three terms.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_four_termshttp://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/four_fall...
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> http://www.huxley.net/soma/somaquote.html
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>> Johns (our) culture is setup to promote "independence".
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>> John would like to choose his beer and weed.
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>> Why the hell would he want to listen to his "relatives" ?
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>> Fuck 'em. What do they know.
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>> Go it alone brothers and buy your own stuff. Your own fix. Reinvent
>> the wheel.
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>> Back in our boxes..
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Another thought crossed (heh) my mind.

The "relatives" are now the peer groups.

Hey i believe in my peer group!

They look and smell like me. They must be right.

Screw grandma's chicken soup and lectures.

On the one hand i have the latest elders culturally inherited
scientific fixes.
On the other hand i have the oldies been their done that herbal witch
brew stories.
And then on my alien other third hand i have my brothers new stew.

Boil it all up and lets turn it in into a one hell of a soap opera.

Yee Harr.
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