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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 4, 2008 22:38
"The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
medication visits, he explained.
...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
percent to 11 percent.
...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...
...By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which
has comparable if not better outcomes...
...Psychotherapy uses verbal methods to get patients to explore their
emotional life, thoughts or behavior. The goal is to ease symptoms,
sometimes through getting the patient to change behavior or mental
habits.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 4, 2008 22:52
On Aug 5, 1:38Â am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
> medication visits, he explained.
>
> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
> psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
> percent to 11 percent.
>
> ...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
> invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...
>
> ...By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which
> has comparable if not better outcomes... ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 4, 2008 23:05
On Aug 4, 10:52 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Aug 5, 1:38 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
>> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
>> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
>> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
>> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
>> medication visits, he explained.
>
>> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
>> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
>> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
>> psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
>> percent to 11 percent.
>
>> ...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 4, 2008 23:34
On Aug 5, 2:05Â am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Aug 4, 10:52 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>> On Aug 5, 1:38 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
>>> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
>>> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
>>> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
>>> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
>>> medication visits, he explained.
>
>>> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
>>> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
>>> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using ...
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Author: JohnJohn Date: Aug 5, 2008 04:51
Immortalist wrote:
> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
> medication visits, he explained.
Doctor: "I need only 15 minutes per patient."
Patient: "I need more than 15 minutes"
Doctor: "This is not about you!"
Anyway, long conversations with people are exhausting enough but the
great fear a talk-psychiatrist harbors comes from the fact that he is
not nearly as clever and bright as many of his patients. He is likely to
be called out on bullshit almost every day. His reputation will fail.
Ain't no money in failure.
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Aug 5, 2008 11:56
Immortalist wrote:
> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
> medication visits, he explained.
>
> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
> psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
> percent to 11 percent.
>
> ...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
> invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...
>
> ...By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which
> has comparable if not better outcomes... ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 5, 2008 22:57
On Aug 5, 2:56Â pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:> Immortalist wrote:
>> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic
>> psychotherapy, was for so long a hallmark of the practice of
>> psychiatry. It no longer is," Mojtabai said.
>
>> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
>> rate for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute
>> medication visits, he explained.
>
>> ...the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists for
>> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
>> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using
>> psychotherapy with all their patients also dropped, from about 19
>> percent to 11 percent.
>
>> ...As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
>> invincibility" around drugs for depression and anxiety...
>
>> ...By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Aug 6, 2008 11:53
turtoni wrote:
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> In our western culture we pretty much live as small individual family
> units with many people living alone or with a partner and with often
> little contact with other possible family members.
>...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 6, 2008 21:59
On Aug 6, 2:53Â pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:> turtoni wrote:
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>> In our western culture we pretty much live as small individual family
>> units with many people living alone or with a partner and with often
>> little contact with other possible family members.
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>> If we can accept that the body can become ill and that includes the
>> brain then we generally consult external people from our family units
>> that have studied an accumulation of information that has been
>> generated over thousands of years.
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>> In our culture the most cost effective method to treat an illness is
>> often by ingesting chemicals that have been clinically studied over
>> decades of time.
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>> Smoking tobacco and marijuana, drinking alcohol or taking LSD to treat
>> a mental illness does not appear to the best type of chemical options
>> available. In fact they often appear to be counter productive. Your
>> attraction to these types of methods likely stems from your ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Aug 7, 2008 13:37
turtoni wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2:53 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>> turtoni wrote:
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>>> In our western culture we pretty much live as small individual family
>>> units with many people living alone or with a partner and with often
>>> little contact with other possible family members.
>>> If we can accept that the body can become ill and that includes the
>>> brain then we generally consult external people from our family units
>>> that have studied an accumulation of information that has been
>>> generated over thousands of years.
>>> In our culture the most cost effective method to treat an illness is
>>> often by ingesting chemicals that have been clinically studied over
>>> decades of time.
>>> Smoking tobacco and marijuana, drinking alcohol or taking LSD to treat
>>> a mental illness does not appear to the best type of chemical options
>>> available. In fact they often appear to be counter productive. Your
>>> attraction to these types of methods likely stems from your
>>> connections to your peer (family type) groups.
>>> They might make you feel good in the short term but in the long term ...
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