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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: tooly
Date: Jul 27, 2007 10:44

"curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote in message
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> The Harry Potter books deal with the great themes of life, the
> philosophical questions wuch as 'What does it mean to be good?' What
> happens when I die? All religions do the same so there will inevitably be
> some crossovers. Lord of the Rings to which others have referred in posts
> is another book which deals with the same issues. It has been described as
> a deeply religious book and yet there is no mention of God nor do the
> character have any formal religious practice. The same
> is true of Harry Potter. God is absent and yet spiritual themes abound.
> Love, friendship, sacrifice. Harry is the willing victim who embraces his
> fate. His Gethemane moment is on the floor of Dumbledores study when
> returned from Snapes memories he finally knows that he has to face death
> at Voldemorts hand with no hope of escape.Yes he is like Jesus and I guess
> we are lucky that Christians are onthe whole sensible tolerant people in
> the practise of their faith as adherents of some religions much consider
> suich likening blasphemous.I used to be a practising Christian but with
> sadness I am less so now and yet I sense the 'Hound of Heaven' sometimes
> in some books and DH is one of them.The last enemy that shall be destroyed
> is death. The Church of Scotland and, whenever she's asked, says,
> "I believe in God, not magic." In fact, Rowling initially was afraid that
> if people were aware of her Christian faith, she would give away too much
> of what's coming in the series. "If I talk too freely about that," she
> told a Canadian reporter, "I think the intelligent reader -- whether ten
> [years old] or sixty -- will be able to guess what is coming in the books.
> And Lewis is definitely the "most Christian" of the three because while
> the other two can be interpreted as Christian allegories if you
> feel like it, the Narnia Chronicles aren't even a Christian
> allegory,they're a series of books that star Jesus as a character except
> he's called Aslan in Narnia. As for why Lewis is eclipsed by Tolkien and
> Rowling... Tolkien is obvious : the Lord of the Rings isn't as obviously
> oriented for children, and the whole story and worldbuilding has more
> magnitude than for Narnia. As for Rowling the simple fact that she is a
> much more modern writer in style and everything explains her present
> popularity well enough for me. We can come back in 50 years and see who
> eclipses the other,and have a real argument.Finally, there is the fact
> that Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings are so much better than the
> Narnia Chronicles.The Christ is supposedly the son of GOD - Harry isn't
> The Christ was supposedly born through Immaculate conception - Not Harry
> The Christ was supposedly a GOD - who are eternal - no beginning and no
> end - Not Harry.No three kings, no bethlehem, no star, (ETC) at Harry's
> birth Harry destroyed a major evil - the Christ did not.Harry was a
> Horcrux - and also apparently had one too - A god doesn't need those
> things.The Christ had more "Sidekicks" than Harry.The Christ KNEW he could
> not die(Gods cannot do that) - Harry did not find that out until after he
> "ALMOST" did.The Christ's body was hung on a cross - not Harry.Train
> stations (Kings Cross) did not exist in the time that Christ was placed in
> his book.Harry didn't Resurrect in Heaven and take his body with him.Harry
> didn't start a church. Harry was both Married and had children in the
> end - the Christ was
> apparently only married. The Christ did miracles - Harry was not more
> magical than any other wizard in the books. In fact - his name would not
> have been jesus either. Theory of Harry representing Jesus allegorically
> WILL be discussed. And the thought that Harry, a wizard who practices
> magic, not always responsibly, is a Christlike figure,will give certain
> members of the Christian lunatic fringe absolute hives. JKR has certainly
> come in for her share of finger waving disapproval and hysteria from Uber
> Christians over the past ten years.I personally think a person can be a
> sincere Christian without losing their sense of humor or their common
> sense. I think that's why I particularly enjoyed the name pun of Pius
> Thicknesse, the puppet Minister of Magic who succeeds Scrimgeour. I think
> it was a wee
> pin in the balloons of religious hysteria.
>
>

Good comments curmudgeon.
I thought Tolkien in particular related a most romanticized world that in
many ways, I thought was prophetic about all that has happened in the world
now. The 'Dark Cloud' of Mordor gathers upon the earth (unless one of the
ilk of Sauron forces or secular progressives [sic]). But no one serves the
Devil as the devil I think, but only as the force they think is the better.

Orcs. As he wrote, these were such 'goonish' characters. We've now seen
them in the movies, so our envisionment recast. But as I read the books
when younger, well, I couldn't help but attach real world faces to the
goons.
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