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Author: C3C3 Date: Apr 29, 2008 23:34
Does a person's understanding of good and evil affect their spiritual
"actions" but not their physical actions?
For example, if you take the War in Iraq, if someone kills an Muslim
soldier, what if it's for the *wrong* reasons (because they're
Muslim). Or, if it *is* because they're Muslim, would an American
soldier kill them with *that* in mind?
If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
deserved to be shot dead, should the American soldier have *that* in
mind when he kills him?
I guess what I'm asking is, it's not so much what *action* you take
but what *spiritual* or mental actions you take?
Kind of like, the American soldiers may be right, but are they right
for the *wrong* reasons?
C3
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 30, 2008 00:01
On Apr 30, 2:34 am, C3 aol.com> wrote:> Does a person's understanding of good and evil affect their spiritual
> "actions" but not their physical actions?
>
> For example, if you take the War in Iraq, if someone kills an Muslim
> soldier, what if it's for the *wrong* reasons (because they're
> Muslim). Or, if it *is* because they're Muslim, would an American
> soldier kill them with *that* in mind?
>
> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
> deserved to be shot dead, should the American soldier have *that* in
> mind when he kills him?
>
> I guess what I'm asking is, it's not so much what *action* you take
> but what *spiritual* or mental actions you take?
>
> Kind of like, the American soldiers may be right, but are they right
> for the *wrong* reasons?
>
> C3 ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 30, 2008 04:50
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0700, C3 wrote:
> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
> deserved to be shot dead
By what moral authority do you or anyone else decide that some other
person is "so evil that they deserve to be shot dead"?
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Apr 30, 2008 05:45
Since we, fantasy driven, H. sapiens so desperately need meaning
giving stories, we often personify (tell personification stories) the place
then tell various "good and evil" stories about the personified situation.
Thus any rational understanding is voided by our fantasy needs.
The situation with stories is certainly more entertaining.
The bottom line is that you may practice any "good and evil" stories
you or your community wishes.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 30, 2008 08:51
On Apr 30, 7:50 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0700, C3 wrote:
>> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
>> deserved to be shot dead
>
> By what moral authority do you or anyone else decide that some other
> person is "so evil that they deserve to be shot dead"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
"Psychologists such as E.F.M. Durban and John Bowlby have argued that
human beings are inherently violent. While this violence is repressed
in normal society, it needs the occasional outlet provided by...
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Author: Mike E. FullertonMike E. Fullerton Date: Apr 30, 2008 09:59
ZerkonX wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0700, C3 wrote:
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>> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
>> deserved to be shot dead
>
> By what moral authority do you or anyone else decide that some other
> person is "so evil that they deserve to be shot dead"?
Moral reasoning or morality is a form of intelligence. It is really a
very logical thing. Something is good if it results in more benefits
than harm. Something is evil if it results in more harm than benefits.
Psychopaths and children see something as good only if it benefits them
and bad if it harms them. Advanced moralists think in terms of universal
benefits and harm.
--
Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Apr 30, 2008 21:30
> Does a person's understanding of good and evil affect their spiritual
> "actions" but not their physical actions?
>
> For example, if you take the War in Iraq, if someone kills an Muslim
> soldier, what if it's for the *wrong* reasons (because they're
> Muslim). Or, if it *is* because they're Muslim, would an American
> soldier kill them with *that* in mind?
>
> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
> deserved to be shot dead, should the American soldier have *that* in
> mind when he kills him?
>
> I guess what I'm asking is, it's not so much what *action* you take
> but what *spiritual* or mental actions you take?
>
> Kind of like, the American soldiers may be right, but are they right
> for the *wrong* reasons?
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Apr 30, 2008 21:31
"ZerkonX" X.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.04.30.11.51.02@X.net...> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0700, C3 wrote:
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>> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
>> deserved to be shot dead
>
> By what moral authority do you or anyone else decide that some other
> person is "so evil that they deserve to be shot dead"?
Why do you ask ?
BOfL
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Author: C3C3 Date: Apr 30, 2008 21:34
On Apr 30, 9:30�pm, "brian fletcher" gmail.com> wrote:>> Does a person's understanding of good and evil affect their spiritual
>> "actions" but not their physical actions?
>
>> For example, if you take the War in Iraq, if someone kills an Muslim
>> soldier, what if it's for the *wrong* reasons (because they're
>> Muslim). �Or, if it *is* because they're Muslim, would an American
>> soldier kill them with *that* in mind?
>
>> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
>> deserved to be shot dead, should the American soldier have *that* in
>> mind when he kills him? ...
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Author: C3C3 Date: Apr 30, 2008 23:48
On Apr 30, 4:50�am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0700, C3 wrote:
>> If one of the Muslims were a horribly evil person, so evil that he
>> deserved to be shot dead
>
> By what moral authority do you or anyone else decide that some other
> person is "so evil that they deserve to be shot dead"?
Well, I didn't express that well. It was meant to be hypothetical. I
was trying to talk philosophically about sources of evil as opposed to
actions taken directly against evil.
I am opposed to the war from both a religous basis and the truism that
the ends never justify the means. Muslim culture is very prolife and
they *do* beleive in the Virgin Birth so I have nothing against
them.
C3
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