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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jul 12, 2008 10:52
We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
costs.
So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
FL.
A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
a 20 ton semi-rig
Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
To be sure, the ship takes much longer and containerized cargo isn't
going to be as efficient as bulk cargo but the fact remains:
Moving stuff from China to Long Beach costs about as much in fuel as a
150 mile trip by train or a 30 mile trip in a rig.
As fuel costs increase, these numbers will dominate all other costs.
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Author: jess225107jess225107 Date: Jul 12, 2008 15:00
> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
> costs.
>
> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
> FL.
>
> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
> a 20 ton semi-rig
>
> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
> As fuel costs increase, these numbers will dominate all other costs.
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Author: Dr. Julian. G. EkDr. Julian. G. Ek Date: Jul 12, 2008 21:58
On Jul 13, 1:52 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
> costs.
>
> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
> FL.
>
> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
> a 20 ton semi-rig
>
> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
>
> To be sure, the ship takes much longer and containerized cargo isn't
> going to be as efficient as bulk cargo but the fact remains: ...
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Author: Dr. Julian. G. EkDr. Julian. G. Ek Date: Jul 12, 2008 21:59
On Jul 13, 6:00 am, jess225...@ gmail.com wrote: >> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
>> costs.
>
>> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
>> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
>> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
>> FL.
>
>> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
>> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
>> a 20 ton semi-rig
>
>> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
>> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
>> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
>> As fuel costs increase, these numbers will dominate all other costs.
>
> While this is all true, the cheap labor is probably more of a factor. ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jul 13, 2008 05:00
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:52:47 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:
> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
Good question
>
> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
> FL.
Faulty answer.
Better possibilities: 1) Oil prices are not driven by market forces but
by corporate/political need, two different things 2) Both socialist China
and the 'capitalist' US, can centrally manage pricing outside of the
force of a 'free market'. 3) The goal of today's one world economy is to
'level out' prosperity, so those that have less have a little more and
those that have more have much less. The difference going to the usual
suspects.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jul 13, 2008 07:58
>> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
> Good question
>> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
>> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
>> FL.
> Faulty answer.
> Better possibilities: 1) Oil prices are not driven by market
The OP issue wasn't about what's driving fuel prices.
The OP issue was that spiraling fuel prices would indeed increase
localization, i. e., no more California strawberries in Florida, but
would not choke off globalization as was suggested in a recent _London
Times_ article that claimed world oil production could drop
precipitiously in as little as 8 years.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jul 13, 2008 08:01
>> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
>> costs.
>> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
>> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
>> FL.
>> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
>> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
>> a 20 ton semi-rig
>> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
>> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
>> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
>> As fuel costs increase, these numbers will dominate all other costs.
> While this is all true, the cheap labor is probably more of a factor.
The OP issue wasn't about _why_ overseas trade has been taking place.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jul 13, 2008 08:03
On Jul 12, 9:58�pm, "Dr. Julian. G. Ek" gmail.com>
wrote:> On Jul 13, 1:52�am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
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>>> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
>> costs.
>
>> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
>> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
>> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
>> FL.
>
>> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
>> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
>> a 20 ton semi-rig ...
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Author: Rob DekkerRob Dekker Date: Jul 22, 2008 23:35
> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
> costs.
>
> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
> FL.
>
> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
> a 20 ton semi-rig
>
> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
>
> To be sure, the ship takes much longer and containerized cargo isn't
> going to be as efficient as bulk cargo but the fact remains: ...
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Author: BretCahillBretCahill Date: Jul 23, 2008 12:41
>> We already see people eating local because of higher transportation
>> costs.
>
>> So why is China still shipping stuff to the U. S.?
>
>> It's due to the extraordinary efficiency of vessel transportation as
>> compared to, say, trucking strawberries from Fresno, CA to Plant City,
>> FL.
>
>> A million ton super tanker uses an engine only 4X more powerful than a
>> 10,000 ton train and a 10,000 ton train only needs 60X more power than
>> a 20 ton semi-rig
>
>> Consider that bunker runs half the price of diesel and large 2 stroke
>> vessel engines are 20%% more efficient than tractor diesels, the ship
>> is 300X more fuel _cost_ efficient than vehicle transportation.
>
>> To be sure, the ship takes much longer and containerized cargo isn't
>> going to be as efficient as bulk cargo but the fact remains:
> ...
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