On Jul 22, 4:11Â pm, Don Bowey
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earthlink.net> wrote:>> On Jul 22, 2:59Â pm, Don Bowey
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>>>>>>>>>> What idiot suggested this?
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>>>>>>>>>> And _no_ you cannot key word search to identify the moron.
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>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Seems the idiot posted:
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>>>>>>>>> "Another option is to eliminate the tractor altogether and drag the
>>>>>>>>> plow and other impliments off of a "super pivot," the common "crop
>>>>>>>>> circle" irrigation structure beefed up for the heavier load.
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>>>>>>>>> The impliments would move inward for a spiral furrow."
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>>>>>>>> What doesn't sound reasaonable?
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>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Inward?
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>>>>>> Or outward.
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>>>>> No, inward. ?
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>>>> Why not outward?
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>>>>> You still don't get it, do you?
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>>>> Certainly not with all your issue dodging.
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>>>> Here, let's try again:
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>>>> What doesn't sound reasonable about plowing from a rotating structure?
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>>>> You need to establish that it cannot be done physically and when you
>>>> fail at that then you need to come up with some numbers that show is
>>>> cheaper to spend $100 billion a year on diesel.
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>>>>> ---
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>>>>>> The plow moves in a + or - radial direction as the pivot turns.
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>>>>> ---
>>>>> If it moves outward, then when it's finished plowing it doesn't have
>>>>> to move back through the furrows. ?If it moves inwards it does.
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>>>> What about both ways? Â Clockwise is outwards and CCW is inwards.
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>>>>>>>> Anyway, all this dodges the issue:
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>>>>>>>> What idiot suggested that furrows cannot be circular or spiral?
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>>>>>>> No one ever suggested that they can't, just that they're not as
>>>>>>> efficient as straight furrows.
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>>>>>> Does it somehow affect the photosynthesis? ?Maybe the shadows of the
>>>>>> plants on the SE side shade more neighboring plants than those on the
>>>>>> W side?
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>>>>> ---
>>>>> As well as being an annoying gadfly, you really are thick, aren't you?
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>>>> That's not an answer.
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>>>>> Think about whether it's easier to harvest grain, or corn, or whatever
>>>>> with a combine in a field with straight or spiral furrows and it might
>>>>> dawn on you.
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>>>> Well? Â Don't keep us settin' on the edges of our chairs.
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>>>> . . .
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>>>>>>> Circular, in any case, is a bad idea.
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>>>>>> Basis?
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>>>>>> Numbers?
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>>>>>> Reasoning?
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>>>>>> Circular may be preferrable to spiral. ?After each cycle the pivot
>>>>>> stops, the plow lifts up and moves in the radial direction for the
>>>>>> next concentric circle.
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>>>>>> More work but it's more fool proof; ?no need to coordinate the radial
>>>>>> and tangential velocities as with a spiral.
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>>>>> ---
>>>>> It's _all_ bullshit.
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>>>> "You are vexed, therefore I am right about you."
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>>>> - Â Nietzsche
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>>> You are doing a good job of yanking legs, or you are really dense. Â I
>>> suspect the latter, and John's leg pulling has done a fair job of showing
>>> it.
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>>> Let's assume you have a field that is 5000 feet on a side; a conservative
>>> assumption for a serious farmer.
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>>> For practical reasons lets also assume the crop is wheat, barley or corn.
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>>> Working the field in the conventional manner provides 25 million square feet
>>> of workable field.
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>>> Working the field in a circular pattern gives you only 19.635 million square
>>> feet.
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>> Well now you've got me interested. Are you suggesting that we are
>> restricted to inscribing all circles inside a rectangle? Â Why don't we
>> start with a circular field and then inscribe the square?
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> Give it more thought, it might come to you.
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If I were younger and a sociologist or psychologist I could make a
career out of analyzing this kind of response. Correlates nicely with
listening to talk radio.
-tg
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>> So far, there hasn't been a serious analysis from anyone. Why are we
>> still plowing fields in the first place---aren't people switching over
>> to no-till agriculture? And if we are, why not have one big irrigation/
>> planting/weeding  gizmo that does each task in one pass?
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>> -tg
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>>> FYI, some potato farmers do work circles. Â They compromise land use in favor
>>> of cost saving by doing circle watering.
