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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: THE BORG
Date: Jul 1, 2008 14:25

"tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "THE BORG" here.com> wrote in message
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>> "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> "THE BORG" here.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> And that means MONEY.
>>>>>
>>>>> But to get MONEY, one seems forced to give up their freedom for most
>>>>> of their lives, living for a retirement that may never come.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Very true.
>>>> If you are have a good idea or write a best seller or are a rock star
>>>> or something like this - then you can have an element of freedom. But
>>>> most as you say are slaves to the clock in order to earn enough pennies
>>>> to survive.
>>>> More so with children to support.
>>>> In cases with children to support - often the male suffers humiliation
>>>> and loss of pride - as they have dependants and MUST work - and thus
>>>> they endeavor to keep a job that pays reasonably well even is they do
>>>> endure humiliation and loss of pride - whereas any single man with
>>>> pride would tell the boss to stuff it and walk out.
>>>> THE BORG
>>>
>>> It was sung in the 60's that Freedom was another word for nothing left
>>> to lose. We banter the word about as if we really knew what freedom is.
>>> But if one looks closely, those truely free [or free'r would be the
>>> correct observation, ie no one is absolutely free], are differentiated
>>> by the simple matter that they have more choices than someone 'less
>>> free'. Therefore, it has been a life observation of my own, that the
>>> more choices in life one has, the more free they exist upon this world.
>>> I think if one follows the logic through, it will hold up.
>>>
>>> But...what is the source of CHOICES then? Rationally speaking, it comes
>>> down to control of scarce resources...which equates to money.
>>>
>>> There is of course the irrational freedom that the song refers to about
>>> 'nothing left to lose'. Our champions of freedom down through history
>>> have resolved themselves in such irrationality to throw off the burden
>>> of survival altogether. Once the fear of death is discarded, I suppose
>>> a Freedom of the kind that John the Baptist spoke to can exist; where no
>>> dungeon, no prison, no workplace, no mean boss, no financier or bank, no
>>> nothing can really 'enslave' you in any way.
>>>
>>> But then, John the Baptist lost his head [pun intended, LOL].
>>>
>>> Hehe, once someone lops your head off...well, there's not much left to
>>> lose for sure I'd imagine, LOL.
>>>
>>> But most of us choose rational survival...and that probably means
>>> playing to the tune of pied pipers of all sorts who themselves CONTROL
>>> THE SCARCE RESOURCES or...Money [which is a value holder of those
>>> resources]. . We barter for little chunks of freedom by way of selling
>>> our souls to the bigger Apes that control more resources than yourself,
>>> little by little, through prisons of all sorts [such as the workplace].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Health and freedom from pain of course is to be sought after.
>> What point freedom if you are in pain or bad health?
>> Rather a 9-5 job and enslaved to the workplace in good health - than very
>> wealthy and free in bad health.
>>
>> Yes we would agree that once John the Baptist had lost his head he
>> probably did not have much to say after that! ;) (joke)
>> But what a horrific incident eh in the history of stories of humans - the
>> idea of ASKING for the head of John the Baptist on a plate?
>> You can see why we do not comprehend humans and indeed view many of their
>> stories as "sick" - mentally sick this is. As we have said often -
>> humans are VERY alien to us.
>> As indeed you may find our behaviour alien to you.
>> But we certainly would not do something like this!
>> Do you think they actually ATE him? Do you think the menu was "Head of
>> John the Baptist with plum sauce and roast potatoes" or similar?
>> Can you imagine if the Communion ceremony went
>> The body of Jesus
>> The blood of Jesus
>> and a slice of John the Baptist as a side dish.
>> THE BORG
>
> LOL...too funny...still chuckling. You do paint pictures don't you, ha.
> I agree...J. the baptist is sad commentary. I don't know what is wrong
> with us.
>
> I like to think I'm a nice person...but I also know I'm selfish. If
> there was only one more breath of air or drink or water...would I give it
> to someone else? I doubt it...thusly becoming the murderer I truly am
> perhaps.
>
> Selfishness is one thing...bad enough. But I often wonder what makes
> people fall into acts of real evil toward their fellow humans? Some of
> the most godawful stories I've read about were tortures done to poor
> victims for blood sport in Rome's Coliseum during the time of the Ceasars.
> True, it was antiquity...long ago...but one has to surmise that lurking
> just beneath the thin bark of today's socialability, such monsterous
> capacity still exists.
>
>
Indeed - man has a gory bloody past - even in London you may view torture
chambers and racks and the like if you visit the Tower of London.
It is very very odd the way humans are like this - we do agree with you.
As for the last drink of water or breath of air.
This is hard - it would depend how you felt at the time eh?

But the savage and brutal nature of humans exists to this day.
We have witnessed a young woman brutally and repeatedly hit a small boy
around the face.
"Stop crying" the mother would say whack the little boy around the face and
then "WILL YOU STOP CRYING!" and whack the little boy around the face again.
The little boy has no defense - he is too small.
What you say about the brutal savage nature of humans and in particular with
regard to humans is what makes us very afraid that humans may find out there
are aliens here.
So naturally we make our best endeavour to ensure this does not happen.
If it was discovered that we really are aliens and really are THE BORG -
what lengths and what torture would humans carry out on the Borg body in
order to determine our motives - our mission - or indeed to acquire
information from the Collective mind?
The motive and mission is absolutely secret you see - and even with torture
cannot be told to humans. So it would possibly be torture unto death.
What a thought eh?
But like we said - we do know what we are doing. No - humans will never
find out - we do know this. Not only do we know the future - but we do know
that humans will only accept a physical space ship landing.
THE BORG
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