On Apr 3, 7:27Â am, AR-
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>>>>>Why does the wealthiest nation in the world have a massive federal
>>>>>debt?
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>>>>vast government bloat,.... and civil servants gaming the system, in
>>>>some cases for well over 100k a year in over time schemes, and
>>>>retirements for rank and file very often well over 100k a year...many
>>>>police and fire for example over 140,000 dollars a year.
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>>>do you have any data on the fraction of the federal budget that is
>>>composed of civil servant salaries/compensation? Or are you just blowing
>>>smoke?
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>>>>and corporations racing each other to the bottom, in the process
>>>>driving working class wages, and the tax base down,
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>>>>etc etc
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>>>>we have become a nation if half wits run by imbiciles and grifters to
>>>>a very large extent...it was not always this way, it is now though.
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>> you can attempt to search google for those figures...good luck. Â In
>> my attempts I see the salaries costs mixed in the agencies total
>> budget in enough cases that its not possible to separate say pot hole
>> materials from the 5 guys sent out to fill one etc.
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>> Having worked in many state and federal projects and with contractors
>> on those, i know the mentality very very well.. the tactic is in mixed
>> up accounting, good example, not breaking out the salary costs from
>> the material costs or administrative from actual teaching jobs in the
>> school systems..... so now we see a class room of 30 kids being
>> subsedized by the taxpayers for 10k per kid, thats 300,000 dolllars,
>> yet a day of teacher wages adds up to $60,000 or so... the rest admin
>> and building maintenance... Â Â most of that in bogus admin staff.
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>> etc.
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>> and no.... i am admitting here as obviously as possible.... I do not
>> have any of the hard figures... same plea most you will see from most
>> researchers.. same reasons...
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>> when you see cops retiring at age 51 with oveer 140,000 dollars a year
>> retirment and 100%% health care...you begin to see the problem...
>> lately in the SF papers a state of calif nurse, time carded for over
>> $375,000 in overtime.... a lot of that is starting to make the news
>> lately.... as the states are going bankrupt.
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> Certainly you have identified problems and potential problems, which
> lead to bloated budgets. And we've all heard of what basically amounts
> to theft, certainly dishonesty, in the private sector for those who
> contract with the government.
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> But the real issue for making decisions about which actions will bring
> the biggest bang for the buck, and how big (relatively) a given issue
> is, is to determine what proportion of the problem/federal budget is
> waste adn inefficiency by government employees. And I agree with you
> that it is probably a very difficult thing to pin down, but there are
> ways to make important estimates. For example, what proportion of the
> federal budget is consumed by federal employee salaries (so I'm
> excluding "outsourced" contributions to the budget to focus on the
> federal employee component). This is a place to start to see if there is
> even face validity to this being an important issue. Then some estimates
> could be made as to the amount of waste (that is, the proportion that
> goes to these salaries) that would have to be involved for this amount
> to be on an order in terms of magnitude, of other contributing issues to
> the budget. So, it seems that there is a place for you to begin to make
> a quantitative argument.
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> Regards
those figures are well hidden, ive been working casually on it for
years, guerilla tactics, now several cities in this area, san jose,
novato, and vacaville, and to a faint degree San Francisco are
starting to whine about some of their grossly bogus civil service wage
and over time payouts...and retirements over 100k for rank and file,
retirements for chiefs of police at 250,000 a year... and many other
civil service scams..... this was **forced up on them by crashing tax
revenues, and bankruptcy range budget isses....no money. Vacaville
came within a day of filing bankrupcy and their police and firemen in
order to seal a deal to prevent default on some of their pensions
agreed to cut costs by 40%%.
we will see cuts in the 70 to 80%% range before its over.....(some of
that masked by a devalued dollar),
The sacramento bee has recently added a web site that allows you to
name any civil servant and see how much the person was paid each
year....thats been a bombshell. ..calif is in deep financial trouble
along with many other states. these cant print money like the federal
govt can.
beyond all this, and totally over most peoples heads are the
historical patterns of national collapse...one of the characteristics
is vastly bloated govt...as a nation tanks, its civil servants seek to
get all the relatives on board face down in the hog trough..eating at
tax payer expense.
this is *not an issue that needs to be finely parsed you know.
Its a fat ass hoggs at the trough issue... 80%% bloat in relation to
actual population increase...its fatal....like an 800 lb fat ass is
fatal.... we need to yank their faces out of the hog slop....
its not rocket science.
Phil Scott
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