phil scott wrote:
> On Apr 2, 10:57 am, AR-
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bettertakethisoutfirst.gmail.com> wrote:
> >>phil scott wrote:
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>>>On Apr 1, 10:39 am, ta
nc.rr.com> wrote:>>
>>>>Why does the wealthiest nation in the world have a massive federal
>>>>debt?
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>>>vast government bloat,.... and civil servants gaming the system, in
>>>some cases for well over 100k a year in over time schemes, and
>>>retirements for rank and file very often well over 100k a year...many
>>>police and fire for example over 140,000 dollars a year.
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>>do you have any data on the fraction of the federal budget that is
>>composed of civil servant salaries/compensation? Or are you just blowing
>>smoke?
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>>>and corporations racing each other to the bottom, in the process
>>>driving working class wages, and the tax base down,
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>>>etc etc
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>>>we have become a nation if half wits run by imbiciles and grifters to
>>>a very large extent...it was not always this way, it is now though.
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> you can attempt to search google for those figures...good luck. In
> my attempts I see the salaries costs mixed in the agencies total
> budget in enough cases that its not possible to separate say pot hole
> materials from the 5 guys sent out to fill one etc.
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> Having worked in many state and federal projects and with contractors
> on those, i know the mentality very very well.. the tactic is in mixed
> up accounting, good example, not breaking out the salary costs from
> the material costs or administrative from actual teaching jobs in the
> school systems..... so now we see a class room of 30 kids being
> subsedized by the taxpayers for 10k per kid, thats 300,000 dolllars,
> yet a day of teacher wages adds up to $60,000 or so... the rest admin
> and building maintenance... most of that in bogus admin staff.
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> etc.
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> and no.... i am admitting here as obviously as possible.... I do not
> have any of the hard figures... same plea most you will see from most
> researchers.. same reasons...
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> when you see cops retiring at age 51 with oveer 140,000 dollars a year
> retirment and 100%% health care...you begin to see the problem...
> lately in the SF papers a state of calif nurse, time carded for over
> $375,000 in overtime.... a lot of that is starting to make the news
> lately.... as the states are going bankrupt.
Certainly you have identified problems and potential problems, which
lead to bloated budgets. And we've all heard of what basically amounts
to theft, certainly dishonesty, in the private sector for those who
contract with the government.
But the real issue for making decisions about which actions will bring
the biggest bang for the buck, and how big (relatively) a given issue
is, is to determine what proportion of the problem/federal budget is
waste adn inefficiency by government employees. And I agree with you
that it is probably a very difficult thing to pin down, but there are
ways to make important estimates. For example, what proportion of the
federal budget is consumed by federal employee salaries (so I'm
excluding "outsourced" contributions to the budget to focus on the
federal employee component). This is a place to start to see if there is
even face validity to this being an important issue. Then some estimates
could be made as to the amount of waste (that is, the proportion that
goes to these salaries) that would have to be involved for this amount
to be on an order in terms of magnitude, of other contributing issues to
the budget. So, it seems that there is a place for you to begin to make
a quantitative argument.
Regards
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> search google for the ongoing details.
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> Phil scott
