>
>Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You? wrote:

>> George Dance wrote:

>>> Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You? wrote:

>>>> Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
>>>> than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
>>>> say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
>>>> mouth and accept it.
>>>>
>>>> Exxon Surrenders but Publius keeps sucking their dead dick:
>>>> Exxon said
>>>> "Greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors that contribute to
>>>> climate change...

>>>
>>> "One of the factors" doesn't mean much except that it's not the whole
>>> story. Nor does "greenhouse gases" say all that much, either; you
>>> produce "greenhouse gases" every time you fart or speak (I don't know
>>> which has the worse effect).

>>
>> The rest of the story is you need a sun and a planet with an
>> atmosphere. Increase greenhouse gases and you increase global warming,
>> and that's the WHOLE STORY.

>
>There must be some part of the story - some logical relation between
>your statements - that you're leaving out. Do you think that global
>warming is going to eliminate the sun, planet, or atmosphere?
>

>> Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
>> than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
>> say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
>> mouth and accept it.

>
>Funny how with just one press release, Exxon went from zero credibility
>to an almost Papal infallibility on this issue. 8)
>
>Would you like to hear what some real scientists say? Or would you
>prefer that they shut up as well?
>

>
>-----------Forward---------------
>
>An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper:
>Dear Prime Minister:
>As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we
>are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation
>sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the
>federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely
>consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto
>Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime
>ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no
>formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in
>Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of
>the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment
>of recent developments in climate science.
>Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate
>models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the
>future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating
>and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which
>Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were
>realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation
>of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion
>of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to
>convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most
>prudent and responsible course of action.
>While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified
>environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no
>basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change
>is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the
>most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly
>understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant
>advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which
>are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases.
>If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate,
>Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded
>it was not necessary.
>We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible
>science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing
>in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased
>consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both
>sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public
>comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate
>scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of
>global climate change, the government will be in a far better position
>to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the
>environment and the economy.
>"Climate change is real" is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by
>activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming
>and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global
>climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact
>still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural "noise." The
>new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water
>pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to "stopping climate
>change" would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research
>into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable
>citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next.
>We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and
>deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It
>was only 30 years ago that many of today's
>global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the
>midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to
>evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it
>does not fit with predetermined political agendas.
>We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand
>willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially
>important topic.
>CC: The Honourable Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment, and the
>Honourable Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources
>- - -
>Sincerely,
>Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology,
>Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
>Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and
>Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and
>professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently
>adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences,
>University of Ottawa
>Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences
>(paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa
>Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and
>associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University,
>Ottawa
>Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada.
>Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards
>Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences,
>Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.
>Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University
>of Guelph, Ont.
>Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg;
>environmental consultant
>Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of
>Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology
>Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal
>Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO
>Meteorological Group, Ottawa
>Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate
>director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western
>Ontario, London, Ont.
>Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of
>Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research
>Group, University of Alberta
>Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography,
>University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
>Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in
>environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics,
>University of Victoria
>Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric
>Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax
>Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology
>advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research
>scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.
>Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of
>Meteorology, University of Alberta
>Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and
>Sioux Lookout, Ont.
>Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal
>consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.
>Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
>Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.
>Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The
>University of Auckland, N.Z.
>Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept.
>of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute
>of Technology
>Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for
>Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
>Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University;
>Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of
>State Climatologists
>Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental
>Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences,
>University of Melbourne, Australia
>Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook
>University, Townsville, Australia
>Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head
>National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former
>Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for
>Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review
>Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands
>Meteorological Institute
>Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate
>Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
>Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences,
>University of Virginia
>Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics &
>geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
>Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas,
>Calif.
>Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science
>Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
>Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric
>Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.
>Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of
>Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and
>Environment, CNRS
>Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and
>Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group
>II, chapter 8 (human health)
>Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of
>Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
>Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University
>of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment
>Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board,
>Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International
>Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change
>Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas,
>past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
>Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological
>Institute, Norway
>Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University
>of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service
>(MetService) of New Zealand
>Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The
>Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington,
>N.Z.
>Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of
>Connecticut
>Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science,
>Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.
>Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial
>College London, U.K.
>Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and
>Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member,
>United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters,
>1994-2000
>Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences,
>University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
>Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and
>isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the
>Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the
>Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society
>Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion,
>Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
>Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston,
>Mass.
>Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of
>the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR,
>NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland
>Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific
>climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
>Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological
>Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of
>Helsinki, Finland
>Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and
>Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
>Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the
>Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
>Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine,
>Cave Junction, Ore.
>Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden
>University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands
>organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and
>public health
>Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international
>economist
>Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant,
>IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.