Exxon - the new Vatican of Climate change
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Author: George Dance
Date: Jan 18, 2007 20:30

Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You? wrote:
> George Dance wrote:
>> Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You? wrote:
>>> Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
>>> than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
>>> say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
>>> mouth and accept it.
>>>
>>> Exxon Surrenders but Publius keeps sucking their dead dick:
>>> Exxon said
>>> "Greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors that contribute to
>>> climate change...
>>
>> "One of the factors" doesn't mean much except that it's not the whole
>> story. Nor does "greenhouse gases" say all that much, either; you
>> produce "greenhouse gases" every time you fart or speak (I don't know
>> which has the worse effect).
>
> The rest of the story is you need a sun and a planet with an
> atmosphere. Increase greenhouse gases and you increase global warming,
> and that's the WHOLE STORY.

There must be some part of the story - some logical relation between
your statements - that you're leaving out. Do you think that global
warming is going to eliminate the sun, planet, or atmosphere?
> Who has more money for science research, EXXON or YOU? Who has more
> than 12,000 patents filed by staff scientists, EXXON or YOU. When they
> say CO2 causes Global Warming Climate Change, you shut your dicksucking
> mouth and accept it.

Funny how with just one press release, Exxon went from zero credibility
to an almost Papal infallibility on this issue. 8)

Would you like to hear what some real scientists say? Or would you
prefer that they shut up as well?

-----------Forward---------------

An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper:
Dear Prime Minister:
As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we
are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation
sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the
federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely
consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto
Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime
ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no
formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in
Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of
the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment
of recent developments in climate science.
Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate
models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the
future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating
and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which
Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were
realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation
of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion
of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to
convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most
prudent and responsible course of action.
While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified
environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no
basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change
is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the
most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly
understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant
advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which
are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases.
If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate,
Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded
it was not necessary.
We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible
science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing
in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased
consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both
sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public
comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate
scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of
global climate change, the government will be in a far better position
to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the
environment and the economy.
"Climate change is real" is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by
activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming
and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global
climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact
still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural "noise." The
new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water
pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to "stopping climate
change" would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research
into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable
citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next.
We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and
deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It
was only 30 years ago that many of today's
global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the
midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to
evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it
does not fit with predetermined political agendas.
We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand
willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially
important topic.
CC: The Honourable Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment, and the
Honourable Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources
- - -
Sincerely,
Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology,
Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and
Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and
professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently
adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences,
University of Ottawa
Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences
(paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa
Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and
associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University,
Ottawa
Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada.
Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards
Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences,
Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.
Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University
of Guelph, Ont.
Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg;
environmental consultant
Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of
Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal
Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO
Meteorological Group, Ottawa
Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate
director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western
Ontario, London, Ont.
Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of
Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research
Group, University of Alberta
Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography,
University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in
environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics,
University of Victoria
Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric
Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax
Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology
advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research
scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.
Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of
Meteorology, University of Alberta
Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and
Sioux Lookout, Ont.
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal
consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.
Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.
Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The
University of Auckland, N.Z.
Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept.
of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute
of Technology
Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for
Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University;
Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of
State Climatologists
Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental
Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences,
University of Melbourne, Australia
Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook
University, Townsville, Australia
Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head
National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former
Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for
Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review
Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands
Meteorological Institute
Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate
Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences,
University of Virginia
Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics &
geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas,
Calif.
Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science
Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric
Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.
Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of
Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and
Environment, CNRS
Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and
Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group
II, chapter 8 (human health)
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of
Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University
of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment
Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board,
Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International
Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change
Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas,
past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological
Institute, Norway
Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University
of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service
(MetService) of New Zealand
Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The
Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington,
N.Z.
Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of
Connecticut
Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science,
Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.
Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial
College London, U.K.
Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and
Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member,
United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters,
1994-2000
Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences,
University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and
isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the
Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the
Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society
Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion,
Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston,
Mass.
Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of
the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR,
NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland
Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific
climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological
Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of
Helsinki, Finland
Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and
Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine,
Cave Junction, Ore.
Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden
University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands
organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and
public health
Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international
economist
Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant,
IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
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