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Date: Aug 4, 2007 12:19
On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
(Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
googlegroups.comBryant) wrote: >sdr sdrodrian.com> writes:
>>> Existence is absolutely deterministic.
>
> Physicists have determined otherwise.
> --
> Bobby Bryant
> Reno, Nevada
Don't bet on it, Bobby.
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Aug 5, 2007 02:42
> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
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> googlegroups.comBryant) wrote: >>sdr sdrodrian.com> writes:>
>>> Existence is absolutely deterministic.
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>> Physicists have determined otherwise.
>> --
>> Bobby Bryant
>> Reno, Nevada
>
> Don't bet on it, Bobby.
>
> Or, before you place that bet, at least consider
> THE SORT of "physicists" who have made
> the "claim" that there is a portion of existence
> where the laws of physics (i.e. determinism) ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:21
>> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
>> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
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SNIP
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:40
On Aug 5, 8:21 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
>>> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
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> SNIP
>
> . We shall
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>
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>>> find that the uncertainty principle will be the key to
>>> performing the double-slit experiment over
>>> astronomical distances, and demonstrating that quantum
>>> effects are not just microscopic phenomena, but can be
>>> extended across the cosmos. ...
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Author: ArtArt Date: Aug 5, 2007 11:02
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:21:50 GMT, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> QM is simply not explicable in terms as yet used by physics. Thus far
>> physics has failed to correctly note the phenomena and conditions
>> which give rise to QM activity.
>> None of this disproves determinism, it only chllenges the arrongance
>> of physicist who insist that the world is easily determinable. QM
>> phenomena are yet to be understood correctly. Soon enough the
>> boundaries of physics will broaden and the factors which determine QM
>> will eventually be discovered.
>
>Science, on whatever level, cannot explain "itself", from QM to Cosmology.
No, but it's interesting how old dogmas and "truths" gradually die
away. For example, Newton proclaimed that time is a absolute
that flows from God. That "truth" lasted a couple of centuries
before it bit the dust.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 5, 2007 11:25
> On Aug 5, 8:21 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
>>>> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
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>> SNIP
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>> . We shall
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>>>> find that the uncertainty principle will be the key to
>>>> performing the double-slit experiment over
>>>> astronomical distances, and demonstrating that quantum ...
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Aug 6, 2007 03:20
On Aug 5, 6:42 pm, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:
> None of this disproves determinism,
Trust a fucking Kantian mystic to be waiting for the proof of a
negative.
MG
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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Aug 6, 2007 05:03
On Aug 6, 12:20 pm, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:> On Aug 5, 6:42 pm, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> None of this disproves determinism,
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> Trust a fucking Kantian mystic to be waiting for the proof of a
> negative
> MG
Won't ewe please expalin mr. Gordge, exactly which type of determinism
you associate with mysticism.
Subtle clue. First read up on what it means.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 6, 2007 05:57
> On Aug 5, 8:21 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>> On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur
>>>> (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg.
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>> SNIP
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>> . We shall
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>>>> find that the uncertainty principle will be the key to
>>>> performing the double-slit experiment over
>>>> astronomical distances, and demonstrating that quantum ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 6, 2007 06:02
"Art" zilch.com> wrote in message
news:2gubb3d5oisskqheiqcu632gr6f8f3g545@4ax.com...> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:21:50 GMT, "brian fletcher"
> bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>> QM is simply not explicable in terms as yet used by physics. Thus far
>>> physics has failed to correctly note the phenomena and conditions
>>> which give rise to QM activity.
>>> None of this disproves determinism, it only chllenges the arrongance
>>> of physicist who insist that the world is easily determinable. QM
>>> phenomena are yet to be understood correctly. Soon enough the
>>> boundaries of physics will broaden and the factors which determine QM
>>> will eventually be discovered.
>>
>>Science, on whatever level, cannot explain "itself", from QM to Cosmology.
>
> No, but it's interesting how old dogmas and "truths" gradually die
> away. For example, Newton proclaimed that time is a absolute
> that flows from God. That "truth" lasted a couple of centuries
> before it bit the dust. ...
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