"Existence" is a predicate made about things.
Predication is an activity of the mind.
Therefore, "Existence" is a concept of consciousness.

On Feb 11, 1:46 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:

Nope, existence gives consciousness its identity.

Its not possible to be conscious of nothing.

Existence pre-supposes something to be conscious of and someone to be
conscious of it.

Existence can not be denied without contradiction.

Existence is identified its not created.

Ideas exist.

Ideas exist originating from sensory reality OR they exist originating
from the mind. The former is food, the latter is poison.

Examples of the former? ideas about cats dogs and trees.

Examples of the latter? god and Kant's ideas of subjectivist pro-
senseless anti-sensist mind fucking because mind originating
transcendentalizzzm.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:55:32 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Gordge states that existence, which is an axiomatic concept, gives
consciousness, another axiomatic concept, its identity, which is yet
another axiomatic concept:

"Morality" is a concept of consciousness. 'The concept "marriage"
cannot be formed or grasped merely by observing the behavior of a
couple: it requires the integration of their actions with a number of
concepts of consciousness, such as "contractual agreement," "morality"
and "law."' (ITOE, pp 36-37)

On Feb 11, 5:38 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:

He said that because it is not possible to be conscious of nothing and
that to deny existence requires a contradiction.

No its not, its a concept giving recognition of human behaviour.

No its not, its a concept required to give consciousness an identity.

Its a tool of knowledge because there are no contradictions in
reality, therefore neither can there be in the ideas theories concepts
of or about reality.

AND its a tool or art, which has fuck all use unless and until
something exists to apply the art to, e.g. to the identification of
existing entities and to identify and eliminate contradictions in
ideas theories concepts methods, which are claimed to be ideas
theories concepts methods of or about reality.

See if you can talk and explain your ideas without Kant Park.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:28:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:

You're being an evil misquoter again. What I wrote was:

"Gordge states that existence, which is an axiomatic concept, gives
consciousness, another axiomatic concept, its identity, which is yet
another axiomatic concept."

These are all concepts of consciousness, principles of logic: "The
distinguishing characteristic of logic (the art of non-contradictory
identification) indicates the nature of the actions (actions of
consciousness required to achieve a correct identification) and their
goal (knowledge)."

Actions of CONSCIOUSNESS.

On Feb 11, 7:00 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:

I've snipped again your dishonesty, the parts which you implied I had
said.

MG

On Feb 10, 8:46 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:

Are you sure that instead of being a concept it might be an intuition,
like space and time?

On Feb 10, 11:55 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:

I don't think existence alone can do that, you must add concepts and
abstractions, to conclude something about the sense of existence.

On Feb 11, 7:00 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:

What a stupid contradicting statement.

Existence is to consciousness what the first breath is to life.

Just as consciousness gets it meaning via existence, soo too does life
get its meaning via breathing.

Existence must precede consciousness, just as air to breath must
precede life.

To protect consciousness is to feed it existence external of it, or
else it turns Kantian and starts eating itself.

They dont.

Michael Gordge

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

You cant form concepts, not even of and about existence, unless and
untill there is something existing external of the mind - for the mind
to THEN become conscious of, which can ONLY happen via his senses,
eyes ears nose hands skin, SENSORY PERCEPTIONS, which then triggers
reasoning / the identification process.

Kant says man's knowledge begins with experience, which of course
requires man to ignore the simple fact that there HAS to be some thing
PRE-EXISTING to experience.

Michael Gordge