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Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Aug 16, 2008 19:35

Existence :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
"In common usage, existence is the world we are aware of through our senses, but
in philosophy the word has a more specialized meaning, and is often contrasted
with essence. Philosophers investigate questions such as "What exists?" "How do
we know?" "To what extent are the senses a reliable guide to existence?" "What
is the meaning, if any, of assertions of the existence of categories, ideas, and
abstractions."

The word "existence" comes from the Latin word 'existere', meaning to appear or
emerge or stand out.

The word 'exist' is certainly a grammatical predicate, but philosophers have
long disputed whether it is also a logical predicate. Some philosophers claim
that it predicates something, and has the same meaning as 'is real', 'has
being', 'is found in reality', 'is in the real world' and so on. Other
philosophers deny that existence is logically a predicate, and claim that it is
merely what is asserted by the etymologically distinct verb 'is', and that all
statements containing the predicate 'exists' can be reduced to statements that
do not use this predicate. For example, 'A Four-leaved clover exists.' can be
rephrased as 'There is a clover with four leaves.'
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Re: Existence         


Author: greasetheweal
Date: Aug 16, 2008 19:44

On 17 Aug, 04:35, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> Existence :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
> "In common usage, existence is the world we are aware of through our senses, but
> in philosophy the word has a more specialized meaning, and is often contrasted
> with essence. Philosophers investigate questions such as "What exists?" "How do
> we know?" "To what extent are the senses a reliable guide to existence?" "What
> is the meaning, if any, of assertions of the existence of categories, ideas, and
> abstractions."
>
> The word "existence" comes from the Latin word 'existere', meaning to appear or
> emerge or stand out.
>
> The word 'exist' is certainly a grammatical predicate, but philosophers have
> long disputed whether it is also a logical predicate. Some philosophers claim
> that it predicates something, and has the same meaning as 'is real', 'has
> being', 'is found in reality', 'is in the real world' and so on. Other
> philosophers deny that existence is logically a predicate, and claim that it is
> merely what is asserted by the etymologically distinct verb 'is', and that all
> statements containing the predicate 'exists' can be reduced to statements that
> do not use this predicate. For example, 'A Four-leaved clover exists.' can be ...
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Re: Existence         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Aug 16, 2008 19:57

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:44:55 -0700 (PDT), greasetheweal@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Isn't any point on the line from total hubris to total humility as
>good a guess as any other?

Probably. Entertainment, such as "religious experience" is all
that is needed from guesses.
I have no idea what you mean by "humility". Granted there are
word constructs that use that word, but from an engineering perspective
on human operation, I don't get it. Are zombies humble?
>How can one logically decide such a thing?

I suspect that human logic (which is all we can know), has very little
bearing on the issue.
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Re: Existence         


Author: Wolfram & Hart
Date: Aug 16, 2008 21:40

On Aug 16, 10:35 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> Existence :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
> "In common usage, existence is the world we are aware of through our senses, but
> in philosophy the word has a more specialized meaning, and is often contrasted
> with essence. Philosophers investigate questions such as "What exists?" "How do
> we know?" "To what extent are the senses a reliable guide to existence?" "What
> is the meaning, if any, of assertions of the existence of categories, ideas, and
> abstractions."
>
> The word "existence" comes from the Latin word 'existere', meaning to appear or
> emerge or stand out.
>
> The word 'exist' is certainly a grammatical predicate, but philosophers have
> long disputed whether it is also a logical predicate. Some philosophers claim
> that it predicates something, and has the same meaning as 'is real', 'has
> being', 'is found in reality', 'is in the real world' and so on. Other
> philosophers deny that existence is logically a predicate, and claim that it is
> merely what is asserted by the etymologically distinct verb 'is', and that all
> statements containing the predicate 'exists' can be reduced to statements that
> do not use this predicate. For example, 'A Four-leaved clover exists.' can be ...
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Re: Existence         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Aug 16, 2008 21:57

On Aug 16, 7:35 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> More...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
> -----------------------------------------
>
> In any case : "Why there is something, rather than nothing.",
> is an interesting problem. A lot of people confabulate a lot of
> stories about that.
>
> The presence of existence is very poignant, though it seems
> to have fraudulent aspects.
>
> The place of humans in the situation is so based in hubris that
> clarity of point of view is not possible.
> --

How does it have fraudulent aspects, and are you saying that all
humans are arrogant when you say hubris?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
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Re: Existence         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Aug 17, 2008 03:05

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:57:56 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Aug 16, 7:35 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>> More...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> In any case : "Why there is something...
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Re: Existence         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 17, 2008 04:34

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:35:18 -0700, Sir Frederick wrote:
> "Why there is something, rather than nothing.",

Following the reasoning (or is it hubris?) behind this question, a more
concrete lead up question might be "Why is there a lake, rather then a
desert?" This question now forces a near infinite set of environmental
even cosmic givens common to both a lake and a desert so a reasoned
answer can be found.

Any question of why is there one thing and not another has this quality
of commonality. First a common denominator is found then the specific
differences can be found.

What is common between something and nothing? As it is, there can not be,
this is the given in the question. There can not be any common 'thing'
with 'no thing at all'.. uhh well not quite.

There is the easy, too easy commonality of the words themselves (hubris?)
AND the presumption (even more hubris) that both conditions can be
('nothing' being a condition without things). Something, or rather
nothing becomes suspect!
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Re: Existence         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 17, 2008 04:58

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:05:51 -0700, Sir Frederick wrote:
> Such as the very constrained sensory tools evolved in humans

By what standard are these 'constrained'? How do you know?
> Such as the personal virtual reality produced by each person's brain,
> that is then considered as "reality".

Again you presume knowledge of something else yet only can define error.
> "Mother Natures" complete name is "Mother Deceit Nature".

Still more. How do you know there is deceit?
> Pragmatism tops truth.
> Then there are the extreme distances between places, that then are
> influenced by "entanglement", instantly. The promises of being alive,
> all voided by death (complete cessation). Then we live in a sea of
> little bugs (microbes), that we can't see. And so on..

You see flaw upon flaw. Flaw can not be flaw without some other condition
less flawed or without flaw. What is this?

You are describing water by how many people drown and how being wet can
make one sick.
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Re: Existence         


Author: Art
Date: Aug 17, 2008 08:04

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:58:05 +0000, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
>You are describing water by how many people drown and how being wet can
>make one sick.

Unfortunatley, I'm afraid that's quite descriptive of the philosophy
of our friend Freddy :(

Art
http://home.ptd.net/~artnpeg
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Re: Existence         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Aug 18, 2008 04:18

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:04:06 -0400, Art zilch.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:58:05 +0000, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
>
>>You are describing water by how many people drown and how being wet can
>>make one sick.
>
>Unfortunatley, I'm afraid that's quite descriptive of the philosophy
>of our friend Freddy :(
>
>Art
>http://home.ptd.net/~artnpeg
>
Attacking the messenger, I see. Weak, as
are your stories.
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