> On Jun 26, 4:47 pm, Sam Wormley mchsi.com> wrote:

>> John wrote:
>>

>>> black holes do not exist

>> Observation of Sag A, dark binary companions, etc. are
>> consistent with the concept of black holes and rule out
>> alternative explanations.
>>
>> Just because YOU don't like the concept of back holes, John,
>> doesn't mean they don't occur in nature... if fact, the
>> more we look, the more it appears that black holes are
>> a significant player in the history and evolution of the
>> universe, galactic clusters and galaxies.
>>
>> -Sam Wormley
>> http://edu-observatory.org/eo/cosmology.html

>
> Sam, given your many excellent posts, I hate to disagree with you on
> this onem but I must.
>
> Black holes are currently simply intelectual and mathematical
> abstractions created to explain observations that physics and
> astronomy are incapable of explaining in terms of demonstrably true
> physical theory. Black holes lurk in the same general region with
> Fourier and Hamiltonian generalized coordinates, or Laplace
> transforms, and to some extent Quantum theory. Yes, all of these
> techniques are are very useful in a number of limited areas for
> explaining observed reults, but when you ask them to make some new
> prediction, as is required in physics, the results become rather
> mixed.
>
> It took many years for even Special Relativity to be proven correct,
> and all bets are still out in the very conservative science community
> over Black Holes, Gravitational Lenses, and even Global Warming. In
> hard sciences like physics, acceptance of a theory to become
> established scientific appears to range from 50 to 100 years, some
> will be proven correct, other will be dismissed. That's simply the
> way that science operates, because scientific fact is not established
> by a survey of prevailing popular opinion.
>
> Fifty years ago I highly doubted there were such things as tectonic
> plates, which drift around on ocean of Magma, but this thory seems to
> be now scientifically validated as fact, although it took state-of-the-
> art measurement instrumentation to do so. 50 years ago, I thought that
> coherrent optical radiation was impossible, but today it is a day-to-
> day fact. Likely, the two vents that impressed me most were Atomic
> Energy and in 1969, man setting foot on the moon. Physics revealed
> that both of these were possible, but once the science was established
> as factual, it took one heck of a lot of practical engineering to
> accomplish both.
>
> Perhaps somewhere during the next 100 or so years, the concept of
> Black Holes could be established to be scientific fact, but to date
> his hasn't been, and like the the Geodetic Syncline theory, it could
> go the same as has had the Luminiferous Aether thories.
>
> Harry C.
>