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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Feb 6, 2008 17:10
"zinnic" gate.net> wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:13 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>> The 'money' will buy the important
>> votes once the new executive branch and congress is seated.
>
> The money _already_ owns Obama. That should be obvious by the way
>
> 1. Obama finds something to admire in Reagan *even after Rove
> astutely abandoned Reaganomics for jingoism*.
>
> 2. Obama wants to be kissey kissey with Repugs. As George Carlin
> said, it's a bipartisan effort to screw the American people.
>
> 3. Obama never has any ideas and never says anything except
> platitudes.
>
> 4. Obama's supporters never have any ideas and have never brought
> about any change.
> ...
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Author: galathaeagalathaea Date: Feb 6, 2008 17:30
On Feb 6, 5:10 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Why can't you tell us what Obama would do if elected? Has he said what he
> would do about Global Warming, which seems to be something democrats are
> worried about. What has he said about how he would deal with the illegal
> immigration problem? Is his position on gay marriages something you can
> support? What is his position? You must have some issues that you are
> concerned about. What are they? What has Obama said he would do about the
> issues that are of concern to you?
a good introduction to his policy positions is
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
some of the highlights that i particularly like:
- open access searchable database of government contracts
- national replacement to open up FICA scoring
but he also goes into things like restructuring the grid
to accomodate more efficient distributed storage architectures
which are scientific approaches to environmentalism
all this talk about him not having ideas is very odd
since it really has been hillary who has refused to get specific
(like exactly which forces she will leave in iraq)
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Feb 6, 2008 20:35
> On Feb 6, 5:10 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Why can't you tell us what Obama would do if elected? Has he said what
>> he
>> would do about Global Warming, which seems to be something democrats are
>> worried about. What has he said about how he would deal with the illegal
>> immigration problem? Is his position on gay marriages something you can
>> support? What is his position? You must have some issues that you are
>> concerned about. What are they? What has Obama said he would do about
>> the
>> issues that are of concern to you?
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Author: galathaeagalathaea Date: Feb 6, 2008 23:48
On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>> On Feb 6, 5:10 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>
>>> Why can't you tell us what Obama would do if elected? Has he said what
>>> he
>>> would do about Global Warming, which seems to be something democrats are
>>> worried about. What has he said about how he would deal with the illegal
>>> immigration problem? Is his position on gay marriages something you can
>>> support? What is his position? You must have some issues that you are
>>> concerned about. What are they? What has Obama said he would do about
>>> the
>>> issues that are of concern to you?
>
>> a good introduction to his policy positions is ...
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Date: Feb 7, 2008 00:43
"galathaea" gmail.com> wrote in
> the president is of much less importance than the makeup of congress
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 7, 2008 07:28
> i'm a registered libertarian
That pretty much explains your attraction to specious word games,
platitudes and internal contradictions.
> how's that for reaching across party lines?
It reminds me of the George Carlin joke, "a bipartisan effort to screw
the American people."
How does a real Democrat know you're not a Trojan Horse?
It's positively weird how Obama is "reaching out" when Hillary is
"folding under GOP pressure."
How far can you get on empty rhetoric?
. . .
> and i would prefer everyone focus on accountability in congress
> the president is of much less importance than the makeup of congress
Then stick to congressional elections and leave the presidency to
those who think it's important. There are no thought police so you
are not restricted to your local or state delagation. There are
hundreds of political people you can influence every 2 years for less
than the price of a six pack of beer.
But if you have nothing to say, it ain't gonna work.
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Feb 7, 2008 07:31
On Feb 6, 7:10 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:> "zinnic" gate.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e36d1cc8-7cff-4126-8671-d9c7a0ed0a25@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 5, 3:13 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>>> The 'money' will buy the important
>>> votes once the new executive branch and congress is seated.
>
>> The money _already_ owns Obama. That should be obvious by the way
>
>> 1. Obama finds something to admire in Reagan *even after Rove
>> astutely abandoned Reaganomics for jingoism*.
>
>> 2. Obama wants to be kissey kissey with Repugs. As George Carlin
>> said, it's a bipartisan effort to screw the American people. ...
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Author: galathaeagalathaea Date: Feb 7, 2008 07:40
On Feb 7, 7:28 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>> i'm a registered libertarian
>
> That pretty much explains your attraction to specious word games,
> platitudes and internal contradictions.
>
>> how's that for reaching across party lines?
>
> It reminds me of the George Carlin joke, "a bipartisan effort to screw
> the American people."
>
> How does a real Democrat know you're not a Trojan Horse?
>
> It's positively weird how Obama is "reaching out" when Hillary is
> "folding under GOP pressure."
>
> How far can you get on empty rhetoric?
>
> . . .
> ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 7, 2008 09:18
> i noticed you missed the policy positions
> � snipping to play a rhetorical ad hominem
Polls touted by Kucinich's campaign showed that he had the most
electable position papers. I don't doubt this.
So why isn't Kucinich the nominee?
The answer is simple: People don't vote for position papers.
People vote for ideas.
A heavy reliance on position papers is the hall mark of smallparty.
As I told the romantics in the Green Party in 2000, position papers
and 89 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
Ideas will get you the White House.
That's how Bill Clinton precluded Republicons GHW Bush and Bob Dole
from even running against him in 1992 and 1996.
Just saying the word "idea" was enough to call the bluff on the GOP
terascam.
The establishment media fear the word "idea" because they fear
change. The media fear and loath the internet. Dumbya's quagmire
isn't a problem but Democrats with ideas need to be vilified.
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Feb 7, 2008 10:38
I asked why it was important? Of all the things we worry about, why should
this be more important than anything else?
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news:adcb9757-2329-48ac-9bc3-487a7a0c0574@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>> "galathaea"...
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