Re: Dubbya's Legacy (what will it be?)
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Re: Dubbya's Legacy (what will it be?)         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: MichaelNJ
Date: Nov 8, 2007 06:46

On Nov 7, 12:42 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 9:31 pm, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> As today is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November it makes
>> it
>> Election day, be it city, county, state and in some case even federal.
>> This has me wondering to just what might be the legacy of our beloved and
>> respected President George W.Bush?
>> Since he was first elected in 2000 and again reelected in 2004 the make up
>> of Congress has changed, as it has on state, county and city levels
>> throughout the US.
>> That being said, just what do you think *Dubbya's* legacy will be either to
>> the USA or even the World?
>> Will it be a good one or a bad one?
>> What if anything can he claim personal credit for?
>> What if anything can he be personally blamed for?
>> Or will he be soon forgotten as nothing more than an irrelevant foot-note to
>> history?
>> Will he be forever in the shadow of his predecessor President William
>> Jefferson Clinton?
>
> Supporters say Bush is a president of vision and consequence whose
> administration has expanded democracy, battled the scourge of
> terrorism and endeavored to promote world peace.
>
> Critics label Bush's policies a disaster, point to his low approval
> ratings, and cite his administration's arrogance and unilateralist
> tendencies as the driving forces behind global tension and disorder.
>
> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Sep/29/op/FP609290322....
>
> Each man who has held the office of President of the United States--
> from George Washington to George W. Bush--leaves behind a unique
> legacy. These men have lead the nation through times of national
> crisis and celebration, economic ups and downs, through horrendous
> wars and times of peace. Their politics, personalities and leadership
> skills have shaped the world today, for good and for bad.
>
> http://www.oup.com/us/collections/president/?view=usa
>
> Presidential legacies are rarely clear and evident during the
> President's term, or even at their end. The problem is perspective. It
> is hard to judge how the future will see someone when it is not clear
> what their term of office actually meant in the context of history.
> Ronald Reagan's last years in office were marked by the Iran-contra
> affair, which painted him as an old man who did not know what was
> going on, yet he is fondly remembered as a beloved President who
> helped America win the Cold War. Dwight Eisenhower, a war hero while
> in office, nevertheless has had his Presidency viewed as time when
> nothing got done. Harry Truman's approval rating was 25%% during his
> last term of office, but today we think of him as a strong President,
> the coy Southerner where the buck "stopped."
>
> It is with Truman that our current President, George W. Bush,
> associates himself most with. Like Truman, he partook in an unpopular
> war based more on a belief of a threat then an actual, concrete danger
> to America (Truman feared the spread of communism; Bush the spread of
> weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East). Both men had very
> public spats with the generals who ran their wars, and both Presidents
> were regarded as quick decision makers (and very hard-headed with
> those decisions).
>
> In time, though, history validated Truman's actions. Standing up to
> Douglas McCarthur prevented the spread of the Korean conflict into a
> more global war. Protecting South Korea helped stem the spread of
> communism on the Asian continent. His conviction to decisions, indeed
> his hard headedness, is now seen as an attribute.
>
> George W. Bush hopes for much of the same. Despite his work at home
> (such as the No Child Left Behind legislation and his attempt to
> reform Social Security) or his stewardship during one of America's
> darkest hours (the terrorist attacks of 9/11), Bush ultimately is
> going to be judged on what happens in Iraq. If things in Iraq continue
> on their current course, with Iraq disintegrating into civil war and
> chaos, then Bush will be regarded as unpopular President who dragged
> this country into an unneeded war that America was ill prepared for.
> If the war creates more hatred toward America, if the next terrorist
> attacks come from a group of disgruntled Iraqis, then the blood
> spilled will be on Bush's hand.
>
> Yet if Bush's vision is actually realized, if Iraq is able to pull
> itself above the turmoil and into a working democracy, and if that
> concept of democracy spreads to the other countries in the region,
> then Bush will be regarded as a hero. History will think of him as a
> visionary, who helped to forever end the threat of terrorism by
> providing the disgruntled in the Middle East with a political avenue
> to voice their displeasure with the state of the world (instead of the
> violent ones currently being employed). He will be viewed as
> misunderstood in his time, but a genius for all time, for mankind.
>
> That is the funny thing with history and legacies. In time, with
> changing perspectives and context, history can change its view of men.
> Revolutionary heroes like Washington and Jefferson are now viewed
> through our politically correct society. We question the dichotomy of
> the men who fought for the idea of freedom and independence, who
> penned "All men are created equal," and then had the audacity to
> actually treat men as property because of the color of their skin.
> Christopher Columbus, the hero of our grade school songs, is now
> chastised for enslaving the "Indians" he encountered in the New World.
> Even Truman's military decision to drop the atomic bomb and end World
> War II is now criticized politically and socially as an unnecessary
> show of force, especially having seen what atomic radiation can do to
> the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> That is why George W. Bush's legacy has not, could not, yet been
> written. The story of Bush is the story of Iraq's war of independence,
> and it is still being penned in the streets and cities of Iraq. An
> Iraq that embraces democracy, that ends its sectarian violence, an
> Iraq that is no longer under the rule of a dictator who threatened his
> neighbors and caused a destabilization of one of the most volatile
> regions in the world, this is what will make Bush a hero in time, even
> if not in our time. Anything less, or anything far worse, will tarnish
> Bush's legacy forever. Only time, and Iraq's future, will tell how
> George W. Bush will be judged in history.
>
> http://www.helium.com/tm/255707/presidential-legacies-rarely-clear
>
>> "The best propaganda omits rather than invents."
>
>> attributed to Mason Cooley

Very well put. I have nothing to add to this other then to say. He
will be judge by more then Iraq. I think the political stability of
Iraq, Afghanistan, and the that entire region will be his legacy.

Although not widely recognized, Jimmy Carters legacy is Iran and the
resulting spread of Iranian Islamist totalitarianism into neighboring
countries (namely Lebanon and the PLO).

If true democracy takes root and spreads to its neighbors, then Bush
can take credit for it (although obviously the policies of future
presidents would play a part in that legacy).
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