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Author: tgtg Date: Jun 27, 2007 13:23
On Jun 27, 2:35 pm, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad yahoo.com>
wrote:> On Jun 27, 1:42 pm, tg earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>> Second, yes, the following is at least a VALID argument:
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>>> (1) If something began to exist, then it had a cause for its
>>> existence.
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>>> (2) The universe began to exist.
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>>> (3) Therefore, the universe had a cause for its existence.
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>>> Perhaps others would question the soundness of this argument, but
>>> there is no doubt that it is valid.
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>> This is not valid at all.
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Author: Michael GrayMichael Gray Date: Jun 28, 2007 15:24
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:22:14 -0700, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad
yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1183058534.908029.86000@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>>On Jun 28, 5:24 am, Michael Gray newsguy.com> wrote:>>
>>>> Fallacy of the excluded middle.
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>>>It seems clear to me that the universe is something, rather than
>>>nothing. Is there a third option you would like to present?
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>> I have done exactly that, if you care to read on...
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>>>> The proposition may well have not made any sense at all.
>>>> That is a third option.
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>> See?
>> It didn't take that much searching now, did it?
>> A self-annointed "philosopher", I take it?
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>>>Which proposition may not make sense? "The universe began to exist" ...
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Author: Sayid Abu Khamr al-MurtadSayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad Date: Jul 12, 2007 15:19
Greetings Mr. Gray, and my apologies for the nearly two week delay in
response...
On Jun 28, 6:24 pm, Michael Gray newsguy.com> wrote:> >>
Define "Universe">>> Define "Began" (the hard one!)
>>> Define "Exist" (the other hard one.)
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>>> As I said: Fallacy of the excluded middle.
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>>With all due respect, I still don't understand. I put forth an
>>argument which includes the premise that the universe began to exist.
>>Michael Gray does not know what "began" means and does not know what
>>"to exist" means, therefore I actually committed the fallacy of the
>>excluded middle?
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> If you continue to lie about my understanding, you will be immediately
> plinked.
Okay, my apologies for reading into your request for a definition.
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Author: Michael GrayMichael Gray Date: Jul 15, 2007 20:44
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:19:01 -0700, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad
yahoo.com> wrote:
>Greetings Mr. Gray, and my apologies for the nearly two week delay in
>response...
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>On Jun 28, 6:24 pm, Michael Gray newsguy.com> wrote:> >>
>Define "Universe">>>> Define "Began" (the hard...
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Author: stoneystoney Date: Jul 16, 2007 14:57
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:14:37 +0930, Michael Gray newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:19:01 -0700, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Greetings Mr. Gray, and my apologies for the nearly two week delay in
>>response...
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>>>>As for what these words mean, I don't theink they are terribly
>>>>cryptic. Almost any physics book will say that the universe began to
>>>>exist with the Big Bang (or, perhaps, almost immediately...
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Author: Michael GrayMichael Gray Date: Jul 16, 2007 21:02
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:57:53 -0700, stoney the.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:14:37 +0930, Michael Gray newsguy.com>
>wrote in alt.atheism
>>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:19:01 -0700, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad
>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Greetings...
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Author: Michael GrayMichael Gray Date: Jul 16, 2007 21:03
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:57:53 -0700, stoney the.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:14:37 +0930, Michael Gray newsguy.com>
>wrote in alt.atheism
>>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:19:01 -0700, Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad
>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Greetings...
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