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Author: C3C3 Date: Jun 26, 2008 01:07
There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
you change action figures on a board.
Comments?
C3
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jun 26, 2008 01:42
On 26 Jun, 09:07, C3 aol.com> wrote:> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
> it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
> and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
> you change action figures on a board.
>
> Comments?
>
> C3
no, the past existed, and is done and dusted. You can see the past all
around you - just look into the night sky. All those photons cannot be
put back into their parent stars.
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Author: kunzmilankunzmilan Date: Jun 26, 2008 01:59
On Jun 26, 10:07 am, C3 aol.com> wrote:> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
> it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
> and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
> you change action figures on a board.
>
> Comments?
>
> C3
> If the Book of Nature is describing it this instant of time, another its volume
> describes it in another instant of time. The Universe is then moving
> constantly to its nearest volumes. All instants of time can exist simultaneously.
> There is no law forbiding such a theory.
kunzmilan
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Author: Mark EarnestMark Earnest Date: Jun 26, 2008 02:17
> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
> it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
> and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
> you change action figures on a board.
>
> Comments?
Time travel isn't that difficult, and I think we will know how in just a few
years.
But changing the past is something entirely different.
For example, if you went to your own past and tried to meet yourself at an
earlier age, you would have to remember what has not yet happened.
Then the closer you came to meeting yourself, the more resistance you would
be up against to prevent such a meeting.
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Jun 26, 2008 02:27
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:07:36 -0700 (PDT), C3 aol.com> wrote:
>There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
>back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
>the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
>mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
>it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
>and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
>you change action figures on a board.
>
>Comments?
>
>C3
NO. Your memories exist only in the present.
See :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past
wherein is said :
In philosophy :
According to presentism, the past does not strictly exist; however, the methods of all sciences study the world's past, through the
process of evaluating evidence.
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Author: Leon HoeneveldLeon Hoeneveld Date: Jun 26, 2008 02:24
C3 schreef:
> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
> it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
> and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
> you change action figures on a board.
>
> Comments?
>
> C3
Reichenbach in his book "Direction of time" writes:
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jun 26, 2008 04:24
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:07:36 -0700, C3 wrote:
> Does the past exist?
OK, do you mean does it 'exist' now, in the present?
A person walks across some mud and leaves a footprint. What is the
relationship of the mud print to the past action? If it has any
relationship at all, then everything in the present is the result of the
past and so yes it does exit. The present is the perpetual process and
outcome of the past.
How you want to see the past is inside a linear sequence of time frames,
as it were. The machine being able to rewind and 'go back' along the
sequence. This is a false concept. It is based on numerical metaphor
(time).
When a carpenter hits a nail 200 yards away from you. You hear the sound
after the act of the hit. Have you then traveled in time? Since sound and
light have speed, isn't everything seen and heard actually in the past?
So, yes, the past exists.
> change it the way you change action figures on a board.
You mean like in a game and shit? OMG, Kweel!!
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jun 26, 2008 04:52
On 26 Jun, 10:17, "Mark Earnest" yahoo.com> wrote:>> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
>> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
>> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
>> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped? If
>> it does, logically that implies a sort of "acting" quality to the past
>> and you could go "there" (as opposed to "then") and change it the way
>> you change action figures on a board.
>
>> Comments?
>
> Time travel isn't that difficult, and I think we will know how in just a few
> years.
> But changing the past is something entirely different.
> For example, if you went to your own past and tried to meet yourself at an
> earlier age, you would have to remember what has not yet happened. ...
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jun 26, 2008 04:58
On 26 Jun, 12:24, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:07:36 -0700, C3 wrote:
>> Does the past exist?
>
> OK, do you mean does it 'exist' now, in the present?
>
> A person walks across some mud and leaves a footprint. What is the
> relationship of the mud print to the past action? If it has any
> relationship at all, then everything in the present is the result of the
> past and so yes it does exit. The present is the perpetual process and
> outcome of the past.
>
> How you want to see the past is inside a linear sequence of time frames,
> as it were. The machine being able to rewind and 'go back' along the
> sequence. This is a false concept. It is based on numerical metaphor
> (time).
>
> When a carpenter hits a nail 200 yards away from you. You hear the sound
> after the act of the hit. Have you then traveled in time? Since sound and
> light have speed, isn't everything seen and heard actually in the past? ...
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Author: impromptuimpromptu Date: Jun 26, 2008 10:43
C3 wrote:
> There is the logical problem that if you had a time machine and went
> back in time and stopped the Holocaust before it began the instance of
> the Holocaust having happened would have already existed. Does this
> mean that the past exists in some tangible way and can be mapped?
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