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>> tooly wrote:

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>>>> caesarjbsquitti wrote:

>>>>> Does the devil actually exist and how ?
>>>>>
>>>>> A priest once told me that he occupies the higher levels of the human
>>>>> mind, a wireless connection to evil if you will, but does this evil
>>>>> force actually exist ?
>>>>>
>>>>> He allows people to do his work.
>>>>> The extermination of Jews, Germans, and Russions and others during the
>>>>> 2nd world war.
>>>>> Abortion, a corruption of human logic, rights that are wrong.
>>>>> Child abuse programs that are corrupted by half-truths, truths that
>>>>> lie, have you heard of these.
>>>>> Abuse programs that divide the family.
>>>>> Deceiving Americans and the US President that Iraq had weapons of mass
>>>>> destruction.
>>>>> The devil, is common to all three world religions....and it appears is
>>>>> doing a great job, in creating chaose and destruction in this world.

>>>> Blaming an imaginary entity for the sins of mankind serves to better
>>>> nothing.

>>> Well, hate to clue you in, but your very mother and father are
>>> 'imaginary' as well...illusions.

>> Bullshit. My mother and father had sex. I am a consequence of that fact.
>> There is no illusion to that fact.
>>

>>> We develop relations based upon need, including our relationship to this
>>> very world. We exist upon symbols and words carry energy by which we
>>> move. All you are saying here really is that language from antiquity no
>>> longer moves you.

>> I could show you an egg a thousand years ago.
>> I can show you an egg today.
>> I can show you an egg a thousand years from now.
>>
>> Eggs are real. If you disagree, then you can go suck one.
>>

>>> But it does not mean the essence of meaning of those ancient words were
>>> not true, but only that we have changed to need new language. Some of us
>>> need no new set of words, and some of us can relate both to antiquity and
>>> the modern. I for one, would like to enmesh the devils of yesteryear
>>> with the psychopaths of today.
>>>
>>> Could we 'imagine' a 'grand icon' beneath which all other psychopathism
>>> grows? I think we can discern a library of personality traits that do
>>> inspire the pscho and sociopaths among us. If you piecemeal these
>>> personality traits together I think you might be 'frightened' as to what
>>> character they add up to. Coincidental? Hard to say. But like a
>>> spiritual dandelion, the spores of creation has spewed everywhich way as
>>> the "weeds" of humankind have flourished. And it remains the same old
>>> 'weedkiller' from antiquity is about all that's effective, that we fight
>>> evil with good [that we respect and give all humans right of way to their
>>> own integrity, decency, and esteem].
>>>
>>> Secularism and the disavowment of the devil, only inspires us to make
>>> more SAW movies, LOL.

>> That's terrible, especially when compared to Moslems flying planes into
>> buildings, Catholics preaching Africans not to use condoms, and
>> Evangelicals fighting against life saving scientific research.
>>

>>>>> If you have not heard of 'anti-truths' they prove that the devil did
>>>>> indeed deceive Adam and Eve in the Garden.

>>>> There was no devil in the story of the garden of Eden. There was Yahweh
>>>> and there was a serpent. The serpent told the truth and Yahweh lied.

>>> Given what you argue here without argument:
>>> Language is deceptive.

>> Only because you try so hard to make it so by transforming devils in to
>> psychopaths, Satan into a grand icon of psychopathy, and other feats of
>> gymnastic bullshittery.
>>

>>> The spirit cannot decieve however and if one sees the truth of spirit,
>>> then they have seen the truth of existence. That one begiles with
>>> accuracy does not change the spiritual makeup. If I lie to a fat women
>>> that she is pretty, what is the truth of my lie? What is the truth of
>>> spirit of the man who taunts the same fat woman with 'fact'. And yet,
>>> you could make the same case then as you have made of Yahweh and the
>>> serpent here.

>> You don't know what Truth is. Truth isn't being nice or mean.

>
> Pablo Picasso was good I think at understanding the 'essence of things. We
> attach words and try to define them yes...and I think that is where you want
> to go...to a 'dictionary' kind of world, all nice and proper, absolute,
> certain. Picasso was able to evoke 'feeling' with objects because he
> understood that we exist 'emotionally' with our environment far more than
> logically. Glass and sharp objects then, became synonomous to things like
> fear and anxiety. The truth exist beyond words. It exists as an essence to
> things and not as some preordained professorial definition as applied from
> textbooks. That is only an attempt to objectify ourselves, away from
> 'experience' to some colder, calculating kind of machine. As a result, we
> become alienated from the world in 'essence'. Vague. Sure...but one must
> seek to understand the spiritual content to understand. A good place to
> start is with one's own self; to question motivation behind all acts. The
> deeper you go, the closer you understand the deep depravity we all exist
> under, as 'selfish' creatures. But by thought, and belief, and the struggle
> toward ideals we have carved ourselves into 'better' creatures at least,
> able to control our deeper savagery to become civil at least...but to see
> from which we have come..yea, that is a pretty devilish creature if you ask
> me. HELL, by any other name, smells as sweet [to rephrase a noted
> Shakespearan insight].
>
>
> Words, in the end, matter little as to truth.