To use X-Files lingo, do you believe the truth - whatever your
humorous
or serious (philosophical, religious, or non-religious) definition of
that is, is
really out there (or not) and please why.

"Pat" earthling.net> wrote in message
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Yes the truth is right outside the window. It's 68 degrees already this
morning.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Pat earthling.net> wrote:

Yes, but :
1. it may be stranger than we humans CAN conceive.
2. it will take working through too many levels of self deceit.
3. the stories we have, work well enough.
4. hubris is more important than truth.
5. the putative gods prefer us "believing" in this charade.
6. charades require contextual and method acting immersion.
7. "Mother Deceit Nature" doesn't care about "truth".
8. etc.

Pat schreef:

The only thing real enough to accept is patterns Pat.
Out there could be all just virtual, illusional, fiction, but the
patterns are real enough to accept as truth. They don't need material to
exist.

However some would say a pattern needs material to be noticable.
You could also say that material is a noticable pattern.

What was first the dino or the egg?

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Pat earthling.net>
wrote:

At the quantum level, the truth does not always apply. If you ask a
quantum particle where it is, it cannot say. It can be either here or
there but the particle itself doesn't know. We can never know.
That is the nature of the quantum world.

On the other hand, it is true that quantum particles
behave in a random fashion and that a particle can behave
as a wave or a particle or that a particle can be in two places
at once.

The truth is that truth itself is limited. We are limited by the
natural fundamental structure and function of our universe.
If not, we would cease to exist.

Pat:

We still know precious little about the universe, and we may well never be
able to know it all. So yeah, there is definitely much truth out there
still waiting to be found out.

--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...

My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:49:35 -0700, Pat wrote:

Because it sure as hell isn't what lives in your head.

On Jul 7, 5:49 am, Pat earthling.net> wrote:

I have no use for "truth." Everybody has their own version of "the
truth." The christians have their version, the muslims have their
version, the scientologists have *their* version, etc., etc. ad
nauseum.

I care about *facts*. That's why I have no use for religion - I have
yet to encounter a religion that has a good grasp of the facts.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net

So true!

"SkyEyes" cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 5:49 am, Pat earthling.net> wrote:

I have no use for "truth." Everybody has their own version of "the
truth." The christians have their version, the muslims have their
version, the scientologists have *their* version, etc., etc. ad
nauseum.

I care about *facts*. That's why I have no use for religion - I have
yet to encounter a religion that has a good grasp of the facts.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Pat earthling.net> wrote:

Can you be a little more specific?

"The truth is out there", is at best, vague.