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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 26, 2008 06:03
"PeterBP" jose.com> wrote in message
news:1ikow2c.s97yne1os2ksgN%%noway@jose.com...> Maybe you are familiar with natural rights theory, which claims that
> humans have certain rights following from nature/their nature and/or
> bestowed by god (if you choose the religious angle).
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> But does it apply to animals as well?
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> If humans are a form of animal, is it unreasonable to consider that
> other animals have the rights we ascribe to ourselves, as well?
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>
> Suppose you subscribe to the idea that it takes a certain level of
> consciousness to achieve status of having natural rights. It might then
> be argued that it's perfectly Ok for a human to kill and butcher a cow,
> because, well, it's a dumb animal that stands on a field, eats grass,
> goes "moo", and thats roughly it.
>
> In the same line of reasoning, would there be anything wrong for a far ...
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Author: Langevinger66Langevinger66 Date: Jul 26, 2008 07:32
On 26 jul, 15:03, "Dennis" never.net> wrote:> "PeterBP" jose.com> wrote in message
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>>> Maybe you are familiar with natural rights theory, which claims that
>> humans have certain rights following from nature/their nature and/or
>> bestowed by god (if you choose the religious angle).
>
>> But does it apply to animals as well?
>
>> If humans are a form of animal, is it unreasonable to consider that
>> other animals have the rights we ascribe to ourselves, as well?
>
>> Suppose you subscribe to the idea that it takes a certain level of
>> consciousness to achieve status of having natural rights. It might then
>> be argued that it's perfectly Ok for a human to kill and butcher a cow,
>> because, well, it's a dumb animal that stands on a field, eats grass, ...
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Author: MsFrottageMsFrottage Date: Jul 26, 2008 08:56
"Do animals have natural rights?"
Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
Something to put in children's books.
SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
EXTINCT.
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Author: Reddragonf66Reddragonf66 Date: Jul 26, 2008 09:55
On 26 jul, 17:56, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:> "Do animals have natural rights?"
>
> Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
>
> If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
> that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
> Something to put in children's books.
>
> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
> EXTINCT.
natural ?
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 26, 2008 11:17
On Jul 26, 8:56 am, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:> "Do animals have natural rights?"
>
> Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
>
> If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
> that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
> Something to put in children's books.
>
If animals don't know they crap do they crap?
> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
> EXTINCT.
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Author: Langevinger66Langevinger66 Date: Jul 26, 2008 11:47
On 26 jul, 20:17, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jul 26, 8:56 am, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Do animals have natural rights?"
>
>> Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
>
>> If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
>> that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
>> Something to put in children's books.
>
> If animals don't know they crap do they crap?
>
>> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
>> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
>> EXTINCT.
>
> On Jul 26, 8:56 am, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Do animals have natural rights?" ...
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Author: DennisDennis Date: Jul 26, 2008 14:29
"Immortalist" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:07fa4cfd-35d0-4f1d-b93b-b059d3f666f9@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 8:56 am, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:> "Do animals have natural rights?"
>
> Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
>
> If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
> that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
> Something to put in children's books.
>
If animals don't know they crap do they crap?
> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
> EXTINCT.
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Author: robert bowmanrobert bowman Date: Jul 26, 2008 20:48
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:56:08 -0700, MsFrottage wrote:
> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
> EXTINCT.
There are a couple of local species that reserve the right to make YOU
food. Please come and meet them.
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Author: John GraemeJohn Graeme Date: Jul 26, 2008 21:20
On Jul 26, 11:56 am, MsFrottage yahoo.com> wrote:> "Do animals have natural rights?"
>
> Think ... think for a minute about "animal rights."
>
> If animals don't KNOW they have rights (or care), then any "rights"
> that benighted coon-huggers "bestow" upon them are fables at best.
> Something to put in children's books.
>
> SO, the only "natural rights" animals have, to my way of superior
> thinking, include the RIGHT TO BECOME FOOD and THE RIGHT TO BECOME
> EXTINCT.
Since small children, the insane, and people with serious mental
retardation don't know they have rights, is it permissible to kill
them or even mistreat them?
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 26, 2008 22:41
> *********
> You can either try dazzling us with your "brilliance" or baffle us with your
> "bullshit," but it still comes down to "might makes right," or in this case
> "rights."
>
> Dionysus
Well all that says is that the strongest are the strongest. Which
doesn't say much. The idea in my mind with the strongest force forces
itself into my attention. Or how about the interest, large or small,
that has the choice choses? But I agree with you that it is sufficient
for the case that strength determines strength, but it is not always
necessary to satisfy the case that strength leads to harm or good.
A distinction without a difference is a type of argument where one
word or phrase is preferred to another, but results in no difference
to the final outcome. It is particularly used when a word or phrase
has connotations associated with it that one party to an argument
prefers to avoid.
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