On Aug 15, 7:52Â am, "tooly"
bellsouth.net> wrote:>>>Oh...and disallusionment? Â I have pinpointed three experiences that are
>>>most
>>>difficult for humans to overcome [emprically defined I suppose] and
>>>disallusionment is perhaps the hardest of the three [the other two being
>>>disappointment of any kind, and injustice]. Â We can weather pest and
>>>pestulence and desease and even war better than these three things, for
>>>they
>>>are insiduous to the soul [whatever soul we might carry
>>>psychologically....the core of what makes us tick whatever].
>
>> Good post!
>> We would like to hear more on this last paragraph.
>> Perhaps threads on those three miserable experiences.
>
> Ha, I pick on Sir a lot...but only because his thoughts have impact in these
> parts. Â Note how quite a few posters have taken up his call to 'story' as a
> bonafide philosoophical insight to explain things.
>
> As far as disallusionment, disappointment, and injustice....I make my
> assessment upon a 'somethingness' in me that 'sinks' whenever I experience
> these. Â This sinking feeling is almost as if I feel my vitality and life
> force 'draining' from me and can be quite debilitating. Â Made less vital, I
> am then in a weakened state 'morally' speaking...which translates into
> physical decline as well.
This is "exactly" what Im talking about. Heard the one about "the
truth will set you free":-)
Just apply the opposite regarding illusions. They are made of
'stories', which we each inevitable , outgrow.
We go thoruogh a stage where we all act like choir members, with the
'soloist' waiting to break out.
>
> It is hard to explain this 'sinking' sensation but it has always interested
> me. Â I mean, it is real, concrete...and of the stuff that makes me vital.
> This "stuff" that seeps from me [the sensation]...it is as if I sense that
> if I can't stop it, I will simply sink into oblivion...death; real death.
he price of freedom, is to recognise what it is that is dying.
> Other than that, I don't know much about this 'stuff', except that it
> exists, and the best descriptor I can find, no matter the flakey term, is
> 'life force'. Â It is the struggle to maintain this life force that our
> personal battles are won and lost I think. Â Our stories probably deal with
> maintenance of this to some degree...but again, we have to see those stories
> as more.
The struggle does not come from trying to manintain , but comes from
resistance.
> Perhaps the stories are just that (stories)...but they construct 'models' of
> living by which we remold ourselves around?
Thats takes care of the adolescent stage. If you were asked to
describe yourself, would you relate stories about yourself?
People often feel the need to 'tell their stories', in attempt for
self discovery.
Was Shakespere a story teller? No, he told stories. Very subtle, and
very profound.
>Â In this way, they become
> abstract blueprints of BEing. Â That's the way I've accepted the Christ
> Story anyway. Â I discard the parts I can't accept and concentrate upon the
> model. Â I can still believe in that model.
Building up a sense of your own discernment is a big leap (not of
faith, which usually goes with that prefix :-)...see how programmed we
become ...but of 'self '
BOfL
