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Re: Did The Buddha believe in God?         

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Author: chazwin
Date: Jun 26, 2008 04:38

On 26 Jun, 03:29, opta...@mail.com wrote:
> http://optagon.page.tl/Did-The-Buddha-believe-in-God-f-.htm
>
> …within Buddhism, in the most famous of its scriptures, the
> Dhammapada(47), the Buddha clearly espouses a belief in a supreme
> Creator. Buddha, contrary to being an atheist or a person
> who never answered or avoided answering the question of
> God’s existence, as present day Buddhist sects and most Western
> and Eastern scholars portray, also believed in One God:
>
> Who is capable of praising one like a coin
> of finest
> gold, one whom the knowing praise after finding him
> impeccable, controlled, intelligent, insightful, ethical,
> and
> composed day in and day out? Even the gods(48) praise such
> a one, even the Creator [brahmuna] (17:9,10).(49)
>
> In the Sutta-Pitaka which is part of the Tripitaka texts,
> translated by T.W . R. Davids of the Buddhist Pali Text
> Society, the Buddha has categorically stated, in the Tevigga
> Sutta, that he had a relationship with the Creator and they
> should listen to him and follow his ways , since they too
> want to know how to relate to the Creator.
>
> …to the Tathagat [the fully enlightened person] when
> asked touching the path which leads to the world of
> Brahma [the Creator], there can be neither doubt nor
> difficulty. For Brahma I [do] know Vashetta [the young
> Brahmin the Buddha was addressing], and the world of
> Brahma and the path that leads to it. Yes, I know it ever as
> one
> who has entered the Brahma world, and has been born within
> it!(50)
>
> To paraphrase, Buddha is saying that: “Vashetta, I know, as an
> enlightened person that the path to God has certainty and is easy. I
> know God and the path that leads to God, since I am part of God’s
> creation.” Buddha also believed in hell, a paradisiacal state in the
> next life, and the accountability of deeds in the hereafter:
>
> One who speaks untruth goes to hell, as does one
> who claims not to have done what he has in fact
> done.
> Both become equal after death, people of base deeds
> in
> the hereafter. (22:1)
>
> When a person long absent from home returns safely
> from afar, relatives, friends, and well-wishers rejoice at his
> return. In the same way, when one who has done good
> is gone from this world to the beyond, his good deeds receive
> him, like relatives receiving a returning loved one. (16:11,
> 12)
>
> In the book Outline of Mahayana (Chapter IX) D.T. Suzuki
> explains that God is referred to by the term Dharmakaya-Buddha or the
> religious object of Buddhism. In fact in a Tibetan text, the
> Dharmakaya is described with eight attributes, which are:
> Sameness, Depth, Everlastingness, Oneness, Harmony, Purity,
> Radiance, and Enjoyment [some of which are explained as]:
>
> Sameness, because the Dharmakayas of all Buddhas are
> not different.
> Depth, because it is ineffable.
> Everlastingness, becaus e it has no beginning or end.
> Oneness, because the Dharmadhatu (Absolute Reality)
> and Transcendent Awareness (are not different).
> Harmony, because it is beyond positive and negative poles.
> Purity, because it is free from the three taints of hatred,
> greed,
> and delusion.
> Possessing enjoyment, because with its wealth of qualities
> it is the basis of all enjoyment.(51)
>
> Suzuki elaborates that “The Dharmakaya assumes three essential
> aspects: intelligence (prajna), love (karuna) and will
> (pranidhanabala).” In fact, Professor Robert F. Thurman, Columbia
> University, who is also a Buddhist monk, passionately emphasizes
> that: “Buddha not only believed in God, he knew God. There were
> numerous atheists in Buddha’s time – the Charvaka materialists –
> and the Buddha specifically critiqued their lack of belief
> in any spiritual reality.”(52) In a chapter
> entitled: “The Differing Viewpoints of Buddhism and the
> Other World Religions regarding Ultimate Reality” William Stoddart, in
> his book, Outline of Buddhism, explains that the true Buddhist
> belief is really theistic, but that the existence of
> Ultimate Reality (i.e. God) who is both immanent and
> transcendent, has been misunderstood because of the emphasis of
> the immanence component. In fact, Thurman emphasizes that
> Islam clearly depicts the physical inconceivability of God, in
> that there is nothing like God and that Buddhism, if
> understood correctly, has one and the same goal. It is easy to see
> how the emphasis of the Buddha on the non-corporeality of God has led
> to many erroneously believing that there is no God in Buddhism.
>
> 47. Thomas Cleary (Translator), (1995), Dhammapada: The
> Sayings of Buddha.
>
> 48. Deva in the original Pali; this likely refers to the created
> angels
> or the good spirit entities.
>
> 49. Thomas Cleary (Translator), (1995), Dhammapada: The
> Sayings of Buddha.
>
> 50. Muller, F. Max, (1881), The Sacred Books of the East, p. 186.
>
> 51. Guenther, Herbet (Translator), (1970), The Jewel Ornament of
> Liberation, p.264-5.
> http://www.kheper.net/topics/Buddhism/dharmakaya.htm
>
> 52. Henry, Gray (Editor), (1997), Islam in Tibet and the
> Illustrated Narrative: Tibetan Caravans,pp. 35-37.
>
> http://optagon.page.tl/Did-The-Buddha-believe-in-God-f-.htm

All of the above is latter syncratism, from related religions that
adopted Buddhism modified in terms of their own previously prevailing
prejudices. In exactly the same way that Christianity (a middle-east
religion) has adpoted the green-man as Santa Claus, and other pagan
traditions such as the Easter Bunny, Easter Eggs, the Xmas tree,
mistletoe, holly and ivy, and the tooth fairy.
There is also much to suggest that the concpet of the "trinity" is not
to be found in the bible but is also an adaptation of the Celtic
Trittyes; and the "Madonna" is based upon Isis and many other pagan
godesses.
This all goes to show what a complete bunch of confused bollox
religion is, but does not change the basic fact that Buddhism is
atheistic in nature: requiring no plea to a higher authority such as
that suffered by the delusions within the Abrahamic religions.
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