Re: Descartes' "Cogito" & Shankara's "Super-Cogito" (for God)
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Re: Descartes' "Cogito" & Shankara's "Super-Cogito" (for God)         

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Author: John Jones
Date: Dec 2, 2007 05:59

On Dec 1, 3:22�pm, Berkeley Brett gmail.com> wrote:
> [ An excerpt from a recent message sent to a wonderful friend,
> relating to a discussion we'd had at Extreme Pizza in San Rafael,
> California, USA .... ]
>
> A psychological observation (not a philosophical argument!): I think
> there is a niche or archetype in the human mind that longs for
> certainty about the most important things. �It is this niche
> (methinks) that the Ontological Argument was hoped to fill. �(Whatever
> philosophical niches it may have been hoped to fill, this, I think, is
> the PSYCHOLOGICAL niche that prompted the explorations that resulted
> in that argument.) � I think Kant's critique of the argument -- as I
> understand it, that it errs in supposing 'existence' to be an ordinary
> trait, like 'redness' or 'roundness' -- is compelling.
>
> My reading of Sri Shankaracharya (often referred to simply as
> "Shankara"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Sankara) is many years
> old, but many of his basic thoughts have stayed with me.
>
> I have heard it said that Shankara (ca. 800 CE) had articulated the
> essence of Descartes' "Cogito" 800 years before Descartes, and I seem
> to recall thinking this correct as I read his work.
>
> I think the philosophical edifice of Shankara also provides a means of
> "enlarging" the "Cogito" into what I have called the "Super-Cogito"
> As it happens, this "Super-Cogito" provides the satisfaction for the
> archetype that the Ontological Argument was hoped to provide (in my
> opinion).
>
> The components of this enlarging or transcendence of the Cogito are
> these, as I see it, are these:
>
> 1) The Cogito itself, whereby the certainty of the existence of the
> "ordinary" self is established.
>
> 2) The four classical "Mahavakyas" of the Upanishads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah%%C4%%81v%%C4%%81kyas):
>
> � �=== 1. Prajnanam Brahma - "Consciousness is Brahman" (Aitareya
> Upanishad 3.3 of the Rig Veda)
> � �=== 2. Ayam Atma Brahma - "This Self (Atman) is Brahman" (Mandukya
> Upanishad 1.2 of the Atharva Veda)
> � �=== 3. Tat Tvam Asi - "Thou art That" (Chandogya Upanishad 6.8.7 of
> the Sama Veda)
> � �=== 4. Aham Brahmasmi - "I am Brahman" (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad
> 1.4.10 of the Yajur Veda)
>
> One never has to embrace these sublime utterances dogmatically -- as
> transcendental as they sound (and they truly are), they are really the
> most practical, bread-and-butter observations entrusted to the
> spiritual aspirant. �It's as if the Upanishadic sages are saying to
> us, "jot these four statements on an ethereal piece of paper, and
> store them away in your mind -- as your meditation experiences become
> greater and greater, these statements that seem so obscure to you now
> will come to have immense value (practical as well as philosophical)!
> [Please note, I am not *arguing* for this here, just stating the
> "invitation to introspection" extended by the yogic tradition -- the
> ancient dictum that "the sages have but one argument: 'come and see'
> ".]
>
> Armed with these two components, Sri Shankara invites us to consider
> carefully this self of which he and Descartes have made us certain.
> Initially, it will see to be quite limited. �It will see small
> compared with the Universe that appears to contain it. �The knowledge
> available to it will seem puny compared to the limitless realm of
> things that might come to be known.
>
> But the more we approach its imagined limitations, the more we see
> that they are illusory. �Walking toward what appears to be a wall of
> limitation to the north, we find that that wall recedes as we approach
> it, and finally its phantom image disappears altogether. �The same
> happens as we approach the apparent walls to the south, to the east,
> to the west, and so on. �One after another, they yield to our
> heightening yogic concentration. �We had thought ourselves to be
> "indoors" within tiny boxes, but we find that we have actually been
> "outdoors" in the limitless all along!
>
> The Ontological Argument approaches God from without, as some "other"
> thing; the "Super-Cogito" realizes God from WITHIN, as the truest and
> best Self!
>
> (To be sure, one has to exercise some care along the way! �If the tiny
> ego-self pops onto the Rightful Throne of the Transcendental Self, we
> will witness a pitiful megalomania -- perhaps solipsism, or perhaps
> the more familiar Luciferian urge of the tiny-self to lord itself over
> all other tiny-selves and all other things.)
>
> Of course, the full certainty one longs for is not obtained until full
> Enlightenment is attained -- but one acquires something almost as
> satisfying quite early: CERTITUDE as to the Divine nature of the
> Self. �Even a slight whiff of the fragrance of the Divine is enough to
> set the mind at ease, to ensure it that the path upon which it has
> embarked is among the best paths it might have chosen.
>
> Like a mathematical limit, as one moves further and further toward
> Enlightenment, ones certitude approaches certainty. �Late in the
> process, certitude and certainty become practically indistinguishable.
>
> Is the Greater Self -- Emerson's "Oversoul," the "Paramatman" of the
> Vedic sages -- identical with God? �Does the "drop" of the individual
> consciousness merge fully into the "ocean" of Divine consciousness?
> Or does it retain some distinctness? �Of course, this is one of the
> most intricate and fascinating controversies within Indian philosophy,
> entailing different answers from such thinkers (as I have understood
> or misunderstood them) as the historical Buddha (no need to address
> God), Sri Shankaracharya (the Self and God are ultimately identical),
> Sri Ramanujacharya (the Self or the community of individual selves
> will always retain some distinctness from the Divine Totality, though
> they will always approach it more and more closely -- asymptotically,
> as it were), Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ("simultaneous oneness and
> difference," "achintya-bheda-abheda tattva"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achintya_Bheda_Abheda
> )
>
> Though this ancient controversy is lively, and though one will find
> parallels in western philosophy -- all the way from the ancient Greeks
> to the most recent thinkers -- it speaks very well of the Indian
> tradition that the spirit of the debate has gone on mostly without
> hostility. �I remember what a friend told me about the Tibetan
> tradition -- that when a visitor would come to Tibet from the outer
> world, he or she was greated with, "Friend, from what honored
> spiritual tradition do you come?"
>
> Ah, if only our struggling, potentially glorious little species could
> learn to disagree without being disagreeable -- to realize that we
> might learn so much from those who disagree with us! -- we might just
> take a quantum jump upward!
>
> Metta.
>
> --
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Is there a contradiction or a tension here?
If we take up 'Tat Tvam Asi - ', then we make a transcendentally real
assertion. That is, we presume an externality and an external object,
or "that". This object is as it is perceived, or at least it has its
own identity. "Thou art That" seems to assert that the conditions for
the existence of external objects are found within these objects
themselves. Did Kant agree with this idea?

But then in many places, you seem to move away from this idea of an
externality. For example, you say 'Walking toward what appears to be a
wall of limitation to the north [the wall representing object
externality and transcendental realism], we find that that wall
recedes'. Elsewhere you assert an inner archetype that erronously
tries to create externalities; and also "I am Brahman" etc..

So my question is, what is your position? - Do you support externality
by supporting Thou art That, or are you against externality when you
talk of inner archetypes and receding walls? I also suggest that the
third Upanishad, above, contradicts the other three.
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