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Author: Justintruth
Date: Mar 10, 2008 14:41

Lead on, sister, mother, lead on!

But puleezzze... no more like Maggie Thatcher or Jean Kilpatrick...
give us some liberal soft warm hearted practical political women that
lead -motherly types- not some right wing murderers sick with the
blood lust of the "ours ours ours"... all we need is one supremely
practical woman to remake the archetype of the leader, to get on the
media and call it all what it is. Primate instinct and subspeciation

Lead on!

I'll follow for sure. So will many more men. Lead on... (anything is
better that what we have now).

Begging you sister, mother, lead on! We can gather behind you and you
can enforce your peace. We can escort you to the feast and festival!
No more war!

(I once fed some monkeys some Ritz crackers. I threw a cracker and the
large alpha immediately picked it up so I threw a second cracker to
the other side. But the Alha ran and took it also. So again I threw
back where I threw the first, and he ran over, put one cracker under
his arm pit and picked up the third. Not to be deterred I threw a
fourth and now the alpha had one cracker in each hand and one under
each arm. The rest of the troop looked on. I then threw one more,
thinking I had him beat now, and the alpha started to run round and
round the last cracker. He could not pick it up but he still defended
it as the others circled. Finally I threw one more and one of the
troop snuck in and statched it infuriating the alpha into a shriek as
it ran round and round unable to leave the last cracker that he was
defending and therefore unable to defend the cracker I had just
thrown. Then a female reached in and, I swear this really happened,
she just started giving the alpha a handjob, a few quick strokes and
he screached as if wise to her ploy, chased her away, and continued to
defend his cracker. This is not a made up story. It really happened.)

On Mar 10, 12:22 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:
> By Wrangham & Peterson is a collection drawn from the field studies of
> the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, and Bonobo. It is these primate field
> studies that give us the term "alpha male". And it was their video
> that recorded the alhpa male chimps forming gangs, going into adjacent
> territories to find a foraging couple.
>
> They would then murder him and any progeny she had, kidnap her, and
> gang rape her back with the rest of the troop until she was pregnant
> again. It was also recorded that its the alpha males who form the line
> and go toe to toe with other groups fighting over territory and
> females. Until this, it was thot that only humans raped, murdered,
> committed infanticide and kidnapping, or made war.
>
> It rather suggests that such behavior has a longer hominid history
> than previously imagined. The Blank Slate, Constant Battles, and Guns,
> Germs, & Steel are some of the books that proved the naked savages
> were not, in fact, peacefully living in harmony with their
> environment. Jared Diamond, in his latest, "Collapse" reports that
> until the whiteman showed up, 25%% of the New Guinea Highlander men
> died in battle. This compares with 2-3%% of the whitemen on both sides
> during WWII. Or 3000 some out of the hundreds of thousands that have
> served in Iraq & Afghanistan.
>
> 5000 years of history shows us innumberable examples of the alpha
> males leading advanced nations into war. it seems universal, but a
> closer look at obscure history shows it was not. And a closer look at
> the primate field studies also shows us a remarkable exception to the
> violence with the Bonobo. The Bonobo are not led by demonic males, but
> a sisterhood of elder females. And whereas the other apes use violence
> for control, they use sex to motivate males.
>
> A lot of it has to do with technological innovation. It was thot that
> only hominids used tools, but the Bonobo have been seen carrying
> herbivore bone shards that they use to dig tubers. Because of this,
> food is widely distributed along the forest floor, and there's no way
> the alpha males can control access. Females can, and do, run away from
> violent males, and can forage for food without his help. Their calls,
> which are numerous, keep them oriented, and if predators threaten,
> they gather together to meet the threat rather than depending on
> sending out the alphas to deal with it.
>
> A similar situation emerged in Anatolia 10,000 years ago, with the
> transhumesence from hunting to agriculture. Sass, The Substance of
> Civilization, shows that the shift to farming reduced the amount of
> territory needed to support a group by a factor of 500. A dozen of the
> world's first cities, like Chatal Hoyuk, quickly emerged.
>
> Whereas before tribes were no more than a few hundred, now communities
> of thousands- living in what looked like SW American pueblos, also
> built of adobe- existed that no group of tribal warriors dared to
> attack. And with that innovation we see the first evidence of females
> taking political and economic power.
>
> 9000 years ago, climate change, drought, drove most of them north to
> SE Europe with the happy result of finding the alleuvial flood plains
> of the rivers that empty into the West End of the Black Sea. Where
> they lived *peacefully* for the next 4000 years. A similar kind of
> thing emerged in the same floodplains of China.
>
> But in time the populations rose, pandemics broke out, the whole
> system collapsed into the sequence of war and anarchy we've seen
> since. However: after 5000 years of violence, the brave heart, strong
> right arm, sword in hand- no longer cuts it. Weapons have become so
> powerful even women can use them. And do so even more effectively.
>
> We see the growing power of women most clearly in the advanced
> cultures. We also see the reaction by the alpha males of the less
> developed, whose development has always been hindered by the innate
> level of violence. There are, nonetheless, unacceptably high levels of
> violence in the advanced cultures, and the risk that the whole system
> will be driven to collapse by the combined efforts of alpha males on
> all sides.
>
> But the genie is out of the bottle. Personal weapons are too abundant
> for women not to be picking them up if the general order of society
> breaks down. Agreed that there are legions of airheads who will trade
> sexual services for the perceived protection of alpha males. However,
> that wont work very long because of the virulence of STDs. These women
> will not be raising the next generation of warriors suffering with
> HIV, Herpes, and other STDs. And for sure, the warriors themselves are
> not going to keep it in their pants, or use safe sex to prevent the
> spread.
>
> And, smarter women are taking over the political/economic power
> structures. If they keep it together, they will use whatever force is
> necessary to disempower the warriors. Its the only way to prevent the
> damage to infrastructure and maintain profitability in their
> investments. If they fail to garner enough force to keep up
> production, they will gather together, as the Bonobo do, for their
> mutual protection, and focus on the management of a local resource
> base. They wont be going out hunting for soft targets like alpha
> males.
>
> We see alpha males in Africa right now having at each other trying to
> seize control, rather than properly manage, whatever resource bases
> are at hand. The cumulative result is famine. Aggrevated by disease.
> That too is a pattern revealed by the digs in Europe. After the Golden
> Age of Peace ended, we see the emergence of hill forts.
>
> Which we see were lived in for a few decades, or at most a few
> centuries, then abandoned. A closer look at the infrastructure reveals
> the problem. The typical alpha male lack of attention to hygiene. The
> wells would get contaminated, cholera and dysentery would break out,
> and they'd already murdered all the witch herbalists who mite have
> known how to deal with it because of the contending power base witches
> represented. The witches were also the midwives, so the maternal death
> rate rose, which intensified the competition for women and therefor
> the level of violence.
>
> Barford, "The Early Slavs" reveals what's next. Slavs were the first
> survivors to move into abandoned land which had grown up as bush, and
> built tiny dugout, earth bermed cabins with very low profiles that
> could not be seen. Slav women, quite naturally, avoided the aggression
> of alpha males by homesteading in the bush with betas. Like the
> Bonobo, the Slav women could not be controlled. If one felt she was
> abused, there was nothing to stop her from running off into the
> vastness of the European forests.
>
> Root crops, like turnips are abundant in European folklore. They are
> ready to eat in just 45 days. women, even with kids, could flee an
> aggressive man and with her knowledge of wild foods and modest
> gardening, make it. Slav men were therefore despised because they were
> not warriors. But they stayed in the gene pools. And despite the name,
> they did not make good slaves.
>
> Barford shows how the nations and armies rose and fell, and in the
> aftermath left vast regions of abandoned land that were homesteaded by
> Slavs. And if we see global collapse again, we will see the
> descendants of the Slavs respond to their instinctive behavior and go
> back in the small farm business.
>
> Alpha males of superior intelligence have indeed done great things,
> and had the vision to lead in the right direction. the problem is that
> they've not been able to keep it in their pants, and keep breeding
> with airheads. The result is sons who inherit the stupidity of their
> mothers with the instinct to want to dominate from the sires. The
> result, as Nietzsche put it, is the "rancor of the impotent".
>
> Smart women dont have the problem, and are not inclined to breed with
> stupid men. Smart women have always been challenging, and for this
> reason the alpha male dominated cultures have sent them off to
> nunneries. Taking their talents out of the gene pool, and- as we see,
> resulting in generally retarded cultures. That have aggressive alpha
> male attitudes. They just dont get it.
>
> But the smart women moving up in the power structures have some
> intuitive sense of this, and besides, pay more attention to sociology,
> psychology, anthropology, and the lessons of primate research. Much of
> which was done by women to start with. These women are catching on.
> What they will do remains to be seen.
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