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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Mar 10, 2008 00:22
By Wrangham & Peterson is a collection drawn from the field studies of
the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, and Bonobo. It is these primate field
studies that give us the term "alpha male". And it was their video
that recorded the alhpa male chimps forming gangs, going into adjacent
territories to find a foraging couple.
They would then murder him and any progeny she had, kidnap her, and
gang rape her back with the rest of the troop until she was pregnant
again. It was also recorded that its the alpha males who form the line
and go toe to toe with other groups fighting over territory and
females. Until this, it was thot that only humans raped, murdered,
committed infanticide and kidnapping, or made war.
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Author: HarryNaddsHarryNadds Date: Mar 10, 2008 04:16
On Mar 10, 2:22 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:> By Wrangham & Peterson is a collection drawn from the field studies of
> the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, and Bonobo. It is these primate field
> studies that give us the term "alpha male". And it was their video
> that recorded the alhpa male chimps forming gangs, going into adjacent
> territories to find a foraging couple.
>
> They would then murder him and any progeny she had, kidnap her, and
> gang rape her back with the rest of the troop until she was pregnant
> again. It was also recorded that its the alpha males who form the line
> and go toe to toe with other groups fighting over territory and
> females. Until this, it was thot that only humans raped, murdered,
> committed infanticide and kidnapping, or made war.
>
> It rather suggests that such behavior has a longer hominid history
> than previously imagined. The Blank Slate, Constant Battles, and Guns,
> Germs, & Steel are some of the books that proved the naked savages
> were not, in fact, peacefully living in harmony with their
> environment. Jared Diamond, in his latest, "Collapse" reports that
> until the whiteman showed up, 25%% of the New Guinea Highlander men ...
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Author: Patriot GamesPatriot Games Date: Mar 10, 2008 06:29
> But the smart women moving up in the power structures have some
> intuitive sense of this, and besides, pay more attention to sociology,
> psychology, anthropology
The 'soft' sciences.
These alleged "smart women" need smarter men trained in the hard sciences to
develop high tech lubricants and provide electricity for their Sybians...
Hahahahahah!!!
> These women are catching on.
> What they will do remains to be seen.
After they get me a beer and a sammich the laundry needs to folded, the
bathroom needs to be cleaned, and they need to be thinking about my dinner.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 10, 2008 08:42
I like the view that humans are somewhere between; apes are freaks on
the fringe.
Machiavellian Chimpanzees & Rousseauian Bonobos -
Chimps Are From Mars Bonobos From Venus?
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When people do evil things,
such as when they commit genocides
in Bosnia or Rwanda, we call
them "animals."
If people do altruistic things,
such as when they save another's
life or give generously to the poor,
we attribute this to our noble human
morality. We call them "humane."
Both sides of human nature, however, are tied to our biology. This
theme of the duality of human nature, hovering between beast and
angel, is brought home in Our Inner Ape by looking at our two closest...
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Author: tgtg Date: Mar 10, 2008 08:51
On Mar 10, 11:42 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> I like the view that humans are somewhere between; apes are freaks on
> the fringe.
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> Machiavellian Chimpanzees & Rousseauian Bonobos -
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> Chimps Are From Mars Bonobos From Venus?
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> When people do evil things,
> such as when they commit genocides
> in Bosnia or Rwanda, we call
> them "animals."
>
> If people do altruistic things,
> such as when they save another's
> life or give generously to the poor,
> we attribute this to our noble human
> morality. We call them "humane." ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 10, 2008 09:19
On Mar 10, 8:51 am, tg earthlink.net> wrote:> On Mar 10, 11:42 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> I like the view that humans are somewhere between; apes are freaks on
>> the fringe.
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>> Machiavellian Chimpanzees & Rousseauian Bonobos -
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>> Chimps Are From Mars Bonobos From Venus?
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>> When people do evil things,
>> such as when they commit genocides
>> in Bosnia or Rwanda, we call
>> them "animals." ...
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Author: HarryNaddsHarryNadds Date: Mar 10, 2008 11:43
On Mar 10, 10:42 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> I like the view that humans are somewhere between; apes are freaks on
> the fringe.
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> Machiavellian Chimpanzees & Rousseauian Bonobos -
>
> Chimps Are From Mars Bonobos From Venus?
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> When people do evil things,
> such as when they commit genocides
> in Bosnia or Rwanda, we call
> them "animals."
>
> If people do altruistic things,
> such as when they save another's
> life or give generously to the poor,
> we attribute this to our noble human
> morality. We call them "humane." ...
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Author: JustintruthJustintruth Date: Mar 10, 2008 14:41
Lead on, sister, mother, lead on!
But puleezzze... no more like Maggie Thatcher or Jean Kilpatrick...
give us some liberal soft warm hearted practical political women that
lead -motherly types- not some right wing murderers sick with the
blood lust of the "ours ours ours"... all we need is one supremely
practical woman to remake the archetype of the leader, to get on the
media and call it all what it is. Primate instinct and subspeciation
Lead on!
I'll follow for sure. So will many more men. Lead on... (anything is
better that what we have now).
Begging you sister, mother, lead on! We can gather behind you and you
can enforce your peace. We can escort you to the feast and festival!
No more war!
(I once fed some monkeys some Ritz crackers. I threw a cracker and the
large alpha immediately picked it up so I threw a second cracker to
the other side. But the Alha ran and took it also. So again I...
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Author: lorad474lorad474 Date: Mar 10, 2008 15:27
On Mar 9, 11:22 pm, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:> By Wrangham & Peterson is a collection drawn from the field studies of
> the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, and Bonobo. It is these primate field
> studies that give us the term "alpha male". And it was their video
> that recorded the alhpa male chimps forming gangs, going into adjacent
> territories to find a foraging couple.
>
> They would then murder him and any progeny she had, kidnap her, and
> gang rape her back with the rest of the troop until she was pregnant
> again. It was also recorded that its the alpha males who form the line
> and go toe to toe with other groups fighting over territory and
> females. Until this, it was thot that only humans raped, murdered,
> committed infanticide and kidnapping, or made war.
Yes... but did the study include female chimps who typically wore
flannel shirts and showed a decided preference for Subaru SUV
Foresters?
An entire venue of anthropological tendencies seems to have been
missed here.
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Mar 10, 2008 20:59
The soft sciences have been getting some hard data in recent years
from DNA, brain scans, biochemistry, and statistical analysis of large
data sets. And while an ordinary look at history gives the idea that
alpha males have always been in charge, more dilgent scholarship and
archeology reveals some obscure examples of matriarchy.
Which alpha male posters commonly claim never existed. Based on their
limited scholarship and preference for attention on status and
authority systems, understandable. But- the Mosou of SW China have
always been matriarchic and still are. Agreed that alpha male leaders
have thrived, and even obliterated matriarchies, who were too slow to
pick up on what was coming down because of the female habit of seeking
consensus.
But, there's been more time for more dilegence in recent years, and
the volume of data on the net has grown exponentially to the point
where we can now see the forest made up of the trees. It is, after
all, a matter of pattern recognition. And entirely in keeping for
alpha males to be in denial because of their instinct for steadfast
adherence to their values, loyalty, and conviction.
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