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Author: MilanMilan Date: Dec 31, 2006 12:14
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>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
>>>> then the only reason to assume that it isn't conscious is that you
>>>> think
>>>> that consciousness involves something other than physical patterns. To
>>>> a dualist, that is the case. To a monist, it isn't, and you can't
>>>> assume
>>>> that because you (or indeed, I) consider consciousness to be more than
>>>> neural activity that everyone else does as well.
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>>> It has nothing to do with my understanding of the monist perspective. ...
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Author: someone3someone3 Date: Dec 31, 2006 12:23
Milan wrote:
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>> Milan wrote:
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>>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
>>>>> then the only reason to assume that it isn't conscious is that you
>>>>> think
>>>>> that consciousness involves something other than physical patterns. To
>>>>> a dualist, that is the case. To a monist, it isn't, and you can't
>>>>> assume
>>>>> that because you (or indeed, I) consider consciousness to be more than
>>>>> neural activity that everyone else does as well.
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Author: MujinMujin Date: Dec 31, 2006 12:57
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> Milan wrote:
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>>>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
>>>>>> then the only reason to assume that it isn't conscious is that you
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> that consciousness involves something other than physical patterns. To
>>>>>> a dualist, that is the case. To a monist, it isn't, and you can't
>>>>>> assume
>>>>>> that because you (or indeed, I) consider consciousness to be more than ...
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Author: someone3someone3 Date: Dec 31, 2006 14:03
Mujin wrote:
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>> Milan wrote:
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>>>> Milan wrote:
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>>>>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
>>>>>>> then the only reason to assume that it isn't conscious is that you
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> that consciousness involves something other than physical patterns. To
>>>>>>> a dualist, that is the case. To a monist, it isn't, and you can't
>>>>>>> assume ...
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Author: MujinMujin Date: Dec 31, 2006 18:27
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> Mujin wrote:
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>>> Milan wrote:
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>>>>>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
>>>>>>>> then the only reason to assume that it isn't conscious is that you
>>>>>>>> think ...
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Author: MujinMujin Date: Dec 31, 2006 21:05
In article newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net says...>
> "Mujin" wrote in message news:MPG.20022d621b5cebbc9897a9@news.cc.umanitoba.ca...
>> To a monist, it *does*not*matter* what the internal mechanism is, if
>> the stimulus-behaviour pattern of entity A is indistinguishable from
>> that of a known conscious entity B, then *both* A and B must be
>> conscious.
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> That is very close to the position I was taking. But one minor clarification.
> What you said is true only so long as consciousness remains something
> of a mystery - so long as we don't know the internal mechanism.
I'm not sure this is the case. (assuming that you're referring to
the bit of my post you quoted, and not to my position that neither
monists nor dualists can know with certainty whether another entity
is conscious or not)
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Author: someone3someone3 Date: Jan 1, 2007 02:44
Mujin wrote:
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>>>> Milan wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> If a robot can mimic a human so well that it can seem to be conscious,
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Author: Diane LDiane L Date: Jan 1, 2007 04:00
someone3 wrote:
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Author: someone3someone3 Date: Jan 1, 2007 04:55
Diane L wrote:
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Author: MilanMilan Date: Jan 1, 2007 10:08
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