> On 24 dez, 12:36, "Bill M" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>> The very foundation of Christian and Hebrew religions is the Bibles. They
>> totally base their faith on the Bibles.

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>> The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
>> human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
>> barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
>> certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
>> untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.

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>> The average person today does not appreciate the difficulty and unlikelihood

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>> of producing accurate transmissions of the original Bibles. Firstly there
>> are NO ORIGINALS in existence. They are all copies of copies of unknown
>> accuracy.

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>> One of the problems with the accuracy of the Bibles is that when they were
>> first copied, no marks of punctuation were used, no distinction was made
>> between lower case and upper case letters and more bizarre to modern script,
>> no spaces were used to separate words.

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>> This kind of continuous writing was called "scriptuo continua".

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>> 'godisnowhere' could mean 'god is now here' or quit the opposite, 'god is no
>> where' depending on the spacing which was not used at the time. This left
>> accurate interpretation very unlikely if not impossible.

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>> Add to this the natural occurrence of errors of transmission and the
>> intentional modification to suite the transcribers wishes and beliefs and
>> you have documents of highly questionable meaning and very atrocious
>> accuracy.

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>> Further compounding the problem was the size and accuracy of the
>> vocabularies were much more limited than today. And they were written before
>> the modern dictionaries so there was room for much conflict between the
>> meaning of words.

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>> The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
>> existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
>> available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
>> veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
>> invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
>> supposedly written by 50 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
>> are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
>> the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
>> belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions alone
>> and there is no way of knowing how far they have wondered from the
>> originals.

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>> And there is no evidence that even the originals are anything more than
>> inaccurate fiction.

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>> Basing ones life and faith on these documents is basing ones life on trash.
>> It is the equivalent of depending on the good luck of a rabbit's foot.

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>> sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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>>news:dda09ea8-199a-45d2-9d2e-b53205a5a014@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> WHY ?????, I.E. JESUS, IS NOT THE JEWISH MESSIAH IF ???? is the LORD

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>> Many Christians claim that ???? is the LORD and Elohim, while his son
>> ????? is the Messiah.

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>> All Jews reject this and rightfully so.  If it were true, don't you
>> think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
>> effect, saying, oh, by the way, ???? has a son named ????? and he will
>> come as the Messiah?

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>> But there is no such passage, not even the hint of such a passage, and
>> so the theory of these "Christians" is rightfully rejected by almost
>> all Jews as unfounded according to the Jewish religion.

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>> Now, my hypothesis, however distasteful it may be to Jews, is a
>> possibility they cannot altogether deny if they wish to be thought of
>> as rational human beings.

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>> I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD, and
>> this is signified by the fact that the LORD would not allow Moshe to
>> see HIS face, according to the account of Moshe's enlightenment
>> experience that is given in Exodus itself.

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>> I claim that the true name of the LORD is ????? or JHVSA or Jehoshua
>> Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ.  I claim that JHVH is the Divine Name of
>> the angel Gabriel, even as I AM THAT I AM = EHYEH ASHER EHYEH = AHJH
>> ASR AHJH is the Divine Name of the angel Michael, who is the angel of
>> the LORD seen by Moshe in the burning bush.  When it says that the
>> LORD knew Moshe face to face, it means that HE knew him face to face
>> through HIS angel, namely Michael as I AM THAT I AM.  It is from
>> Michael that Moshe received his prophetic utterances, known
>> collectively as the Torah, even as Mohammed received his prophetic
>> utterances, known as the Koran, from the angel Gabriel.

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>> The LORD HIMSELF was very clear that Moshe could not see HIS face,
>> i.e. know who and what HE truly is, and live.  That is why the
>> teaching of Jehoshua Moshiach emphasized the willingness to die to see
>> G-D.  Even Jesus Himself had to die in order to return to His own
>> rightful estate as the LORD G-D.  The angel of the LORD, Michael =
>> Mahavatar Babaji = ABBA = the Heavenly Father of Jehoshua Moshiach,
>> while He was incarnated as Jesus Christ.  Hence the statement of
>> Jesus:  "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or
>> else believe me for the very works' sake."  (John 14:11)

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>> My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
>> great monotheistic religions.  The alternative is endless fighting,
>> for none of the three will relinquish their claims.  The Jews suffer
>> more than anyone from the sin of Moshe in fabricating the name of the
>> LORD.  The penalty for that sin, multiplied by the ongoing
>> participation of all Jews, was the destruction of the Temple and
>> diaspora, i.e. sangsara, that will last forever, unless the Jews
>> somehow discover the Truth and repent.

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>> As a half Jew myself, I am not just proselytizing or evangelizing.  I
>> am simply sharing what seems to work for me in finding a Truth of the
>> Bible that is not monstrous, but is instead both believable and
>> intelligible.  Moreover, as a physicist interested in the foundations
>> of quantum theory, I am interested in finding a Truth that will answer
>> our deepest questions about reality.  I believe I have found it.

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>> THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D

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>> The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
>> of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
>> His true identity.  You can't identify someone from behind, especially
>> if you don't already know who they are.  The true name of the LORD was
>> and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH.  The entire Torah and all
>> secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
>> that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
>> described within the Torah itself.  Dogma is only as good as the depth
>> of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.

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>> BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
>> was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face. Never,
>> according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between the
>> LORD Himself and Moses.  The LORD absolutely forbade that.

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>> SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF MY CONJECTURE

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>> From:  http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:

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>> "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor".  This is not exactly "Mighty
>> God," but close.  "Strong" is more correct (but it is different from
>> strong of "hazak").  Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this is short
>> full spell is "El Hu Gibor."

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>> Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing.  They both mean
>> "Strong God." "Gabriel" is an angel's name in the Bible.

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>> The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor" of Gabriel have
>> exactly the same root, and they are both the same word.  The word
>> itself can also be translated as "Man of God."  [End Quote]

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>> So, the very passage used by Christians to prove that Yeshua is the
>> Jewish Messiah, instead proves that Jews and Christians alike worship
>> the Antichrist, the Abomination of Desolation, namely the angel
>> Gabriel in the holy place of the LORD, where he ought not to sit.

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>> Now the Gabriel that responds to the invocations of Jews and
>> Christians alike is NOT the holy angel Gabriel, for he would not
>> imposter the LORD.  Rather, it is an astral plane imposter of the
>> angel Gabriel, who is himself a fallen angel of the worst sort.

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>> All of the monstrosities of the old testament, as well as those same
>> monstrosities carried over into the new testament by the
>> misunderstandings of the disciples of Jesus, are the work of this
>> fallen angel imposter of the LORD.

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>> Now, this is not to say that the formula in Isaiah is entirely false.
>> In Judaism the usual designation for the one that is worshipped is
>> "LORD God."  God, or El, aka Eloah, aka Elohim, is the suffix found in
>> the name of each Archangel:  Micha-el, Gibor-el, etc.  Furthermore, it
>> is well-known that ALLAH comes from AL ILAH, where ILAH is equated to
>> ELOAH.

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>> So, Islam is that religion wherein the angel of the LORD can actually
>> be the LORD, but that is not the case with Judaism, which is a
>> Messianic religion geared toward the advent of Jehoshua Moshiach, the
>> LORD, designated by the letters JHVSA.  One can only conclude that the
>> child referred to in Isaiah 9:6 is Mohammad.  He is called a child in
>> the same sense that Moshe is sometimes referred to as a child.  There
>> may be a reference by implication to Moshiach, yet another child, but
>> the passage literally refers to Mohammad, the messenger of ALLAH
>> through the angel Gibor-el, whose Divine Name is JHVH.

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>> Moshe was confused about this and all subsequent Jewish prophets and
>> rabbinical commentators were also confused.  Moshe's confusion began
>> let me remind you that your mother was a good fuck and did she ever get the crucifix out of her ass i so fucked her with that night while your catholic father was bending you over and having his way    and then i am going

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