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Author: Sound of TrumpetSound of Trumpet Date: Sep 19, 2007 05:47
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/01/a_further_response_to_larry_ar.html
A Further Response to Larry Arnhart, pt. 1:
Darwinism and Traditional Morality
Posted by John West at 12:05 AM
Political science professor Larry Arnhart, author of the book
Darwinian Conservatism, is probably the most thoughtful and articulate
proponent of Darwinism as a support for conservatism. My recent book
Darwin's Conservatives: The Misguided Quest is largely framed as a
response to Arnhart's arguments. I appreciate how seriously Arnhart
takes the debate over the implications of Darwin's theory, and also
how committed he is to a civil discussion. Arnhart has now responded
to my book in two posts (here and here) on his Darwinian Conservatism
blog, and in a four-part series over the next several days I will be
offering my response to his comments. After some initial
clarifications, today's post will focus on the issue of Darwinism and
traditional morality.
Unfortunately, Arnhart starts his analysis of my book by
mischaracterizing my position. He states that I reject "evolutionary
science as totally false." But that claim is incorrect. It is true I
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Author: Vlad the accountantVlad the accountant Date: Sep 19, 2007 07:16
On Sep 19, 1:47 pm, Sound of Trumpet mailcan.com>
wrote:
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Author: Jon SchildJon Schild Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:29
Sound of Fart wrote:
This is true only if your traditional morality is based on medieval fear
of hell fire. If you are a moral person because you believe morality is
the right way to treat your fellow beings, then scientific advances will
not have any negative impact on it.
Anyone who is good only because of fear of hell isn't good, only browbeaten.
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Author: David SchwartzDavid Schwartz Date: Sep 19, 2007 07:59
On Sep 19, 5:47 am, Sound of Trumpet mailcan.com>
wrote:
> As I noted previously, even if Arnhart has
> correctly identified flaws in the Biblical approach to morality, it
> would not absolve Darwinism from its own inability to justify moral
> universals. However, I think Arnhart's exposition of Biblical teaching
> is strained and unpersuasive.
Would you argue over the best way to hold satellites in a stable orbit
with a person who believed that the Earth was flat? For example, he
spouts nonsense like:
"Far from encouraging slavery, the Bible sought to circumscribe its
practice and articulated a clear vision of human equality before God
that made slavery increasingly indefensible over time."
All the Bible had to say was, "Slavery is repugnant to God. Don't
practice it and do everything you can to stamp it out."
Instead, he justifies a perfect God imploring masters to be kind to
their slaves! That's a moral monstrosity and cannot even compare with
any possible errors in Larry Arnhart's view.
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Author: *Anarcissie**Anarcissie* Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:06
On Sep 19, 10:59 am, David Schwartz webmaster.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 5:47 am, Sound of Trumpet mailcan.com>
> wrote:
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>> As I noted previously, even if Arnhart has
>> correctly identified flaws in the Biblical approach to morality, it
>> would not absolve Darwinism from its own inability to justify moral
>> universals. However, I think Arnhart's exposition of Biblical teaching
>> is strained and unpersuasive.
>
> Would you argue over the best way to hold satellites in a stable orbit
> with a person who believed that the Earth was flat? For example, he
> spouts nonsense like:
>
> "Far from encouraging slavery, the Bible sought to circumscribe its
> practice and articulated a clear vision of human equality before God
> that made slavery increasingly indefensible over time."
>
> All the Bible had to say was, "Slavery is repugnant to God. Don't
> practice it and do everything you can to stamp it out." ...
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Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:21
Darwinism Destroys Traditional Morality
Nah! If you got some morality Darwinism won't harm it.
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Author: Al KleinAl Klein Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:28
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:29:39 -0700, Jon Schild xmission.com>
wrote:
>Sound of Fart wrote:
>
>This is true only if your traditional morality is based on medieval fear
>of hell fire. If you are a moral person because you believe morality is
>the right way to treat your fellow beings, then scientific advances will
>not have any negative impact on it.
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Author: Al KleinAl Klein Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:29
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:47:47 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
mailcan.com> wrote:
>Political science professor Larry Arnhart, author of the book
>Darwinian Conservatism
Which has no more to do with evolution than "fording" a river has to
do with a certain American automobile manufacturer.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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Date: Sep 19, 2007 08:45
On Sep 19, 11:06 am, *Anarcissie* gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 10:59 am, David Schwartz webmaster.com> wrote:
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>> On Sep 19, 5:47 am, Sound of Trumpet mailcan.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> As I noted previously, even if Arnhart has
>>> correctly identified flaws in the Biblical approach to morality, it
>>> would not absolve Darwinism from its own inability to justify moral
>>> universals. However, I think Arnhart's exposition of Biblical teaching
>>> is strained and unpersuasive.
>
>> Would you argue over the best way to hold satellites in a stable orbit
>> with a person who believed that the Earth was flat? For example, he
>> spouts nonsense like:
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>> "Far from encouraging slavery, the Bible sought to circumscribe its
>> practice and articulated a clear vision of human equality before God ...
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Author: Jon SchildJon Schild Date: Sep 19, 2007 11:00
> The stuff about Darwin, however, mystifies me.
> Darwin was a scientist, not a prophet, theologian, or
> professor of ethics. Why is his theory supposed to
> create or destroy morality, traditional or otherwise?
> It is just a description of how certain things happened,
> based on the available evidence. I don't get it.
>
That's because you know what Darwinism actually means. Sound of Fart
thinks it means "all the evil perpetrated on humanity by an atheistic
God-hating evil scientific establishment."
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