> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>
>This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>from: the idiotic illusion that there...

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT), chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:

>>On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>

>>This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>>from: the idiotic illusion that there is intentionality in nature.
>>Bees do not think they are in control, grass does not manipulate
>>humans to grow it, neither do potatoes set out to guarantee their
>>genetic success by manipulating humans who plant them. We are not
>>manipulated by corn.
>>He is expressing the fundamental quality in humans that lies at the
>>root of all religions. It is humans alone that have evolved a "sense
>>of purpose", and with it the illusion that the world is imbued with
>>intentionality. Whilst this quality has enabled humans to improve
>>their lives by finding practical uses for things we find in the
>>environment, it is faulty because it is evolved. It feeds the illusion
>>that there is a plan - a logic to nature. There is none.

>
> An excellent talk! ...

> On 9 Jun, 10:32, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT), chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>>> This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>>> from: the idiotic illusion that there is intentionality in nature.
>>> Bees do not think they are in control, grass does not manipulate
>>> humans to grow it, neither do potatoes set out to guarantee their
>>> genetic success by manipulating humans who plant them. We are not
>>> manipulated by corn.
>>> He is expressing the fundamental quality in humans that lies at the
>>> root of all religions. It is humans alone that have evolved a "sense
>>> of purpose", and with it the illusion that the world is imbued with
>>> intentionality. Whilst this quality has enabled humans to improve
>>> their lives by finding practical uses for things we find in the
>>> environment, it is faulty because it is evolved. It feeds the illusion
>>> that there is a plan - a logic to nature. There is none.

>> An excellent talk!
>> Intentionality in humans is the illusion. ...

>Excuse me, but if cause and effect are so logical couldn't there be a
>kind of "direction" in the whole. Like for expanding universes where the
>main direction is "out". There might not be a goal, but there could be a
>direction "towards".

> chazwin schreef:
>
>
>

>> On 9 Jun, 10:32, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT), chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>>>> This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>>>> from: the idiotic illusion that there is intentionality in nature.
>>>> Bees do not think they are in control, grass does not manipulate
>>>> humans to grow it, neither do potatoes set out to guarantee their
>>>> genetic success by manipulating humans who plant them. We are not
>>>> manipulated by corn.
>>>> He is expressing the fundamental quality in humans that lies at the
>>>> root of all religions. It is humans alone that have evolved a "sense
>>>> of purpose", and with it the illusion that the world is imbued with
>>>> intentionality. Whilst this quality has enabled humans to improve
>>>> their lives by finding practical uses for things we find in the ...

> chazwin schreef:
>
>
>

>> On 9 Jun, 10:32, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT), chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>>>> This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>>>> from: the idiotic illusion that there is intentionality in nature.
>>>> Bees do not think they are in control, grass does not manipulate
>>>> humans to grow it, neither do potatoes set out to guarantee their
>>>> genetic success by manipulating humans who plant them. We are not
>>>> manipulated by corn.
>>>> He is expressing the fundamental quality in humans that lies at the
>>>> root of all religions. It is humans alone that have evolved a "sense
>>>> of purpose", and with it the illusion that the world is imbued with
>>>> intentionality. Whilst this quality has enabled humans to improve
>>>> their lives by finding practical uses for things we find in the ...

> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:48:13 +0200, Leon Hoeneveld wrote:
>
>

>> Excuse me, but if cause and effect are so logical couldn't there be a
>> kind of "direction" in the whole. Like for expanding universes where the
>> main direction is "out". There might not be a goal, but there could be a
>> direction "towards".

>
> Yes, but nothing definitive has been published.
> Many "big brains" are working on such principles.
> We have discussed such here, before. There are books
> on the subject. It may be beyond any paradigm
> presently available. It gets into addressing the question :
> "Why is there a situation (something), rather than nothing?"
>
> Feel free to discuss the issues, at any level.

> On 9 Jun, 13:48, Leon Hoeneveld wrote:

>> chazwin schreef:
>>
>>
>>

>>> On 9 Jun, 10:32, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT), chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>> On 8 Jun, 17:50, ta nc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPN1O03z8I

>>>>> This guy is suffering from the same delusion that all theists suffer
>>>>> from: the idiotic illusion that there is intentionality in nature.
>>>>> Bees do not think they are in control, grass does not manipulate
>>>>> humans to grow it, neither do potatoes set out to guarantee their
>>>>> genetic success by manipulating humans who plant them. We are not
>>>>> manipulated by corn.
>>>>> He is expressing the fundamental quality in humans that lies at the
>>>>> root of all religions. It is humans alone that have evolved a "sense
>>>>> of purpose", and with it the illusion that the world is imbued with
>>>>> intentionality. Whilst this quality has enabled humans to improve ...