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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Sep 1, 2007 20:39
On Sep 1, 9:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabballah
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> "Since all forms of reform or liberal Judaism are rooted in the
> Enlightenment and tied to the assumptions of European modernity,
> Kabbalah tended to be rejected by most Jews in the Conservative and
> Reform movements, though its influences were not completely
> eliminated. While it was generally not studied as a discipline, the
> Kabbalistic Kabbalat Shabbat service remained part of liberal liturgy,
> as did the Yedid Nefesh prayer. Nevertheless, in the 1960s, Rabbi Saul
> Lieberman of the Jewish Theological Seminary, is reputed to have
> introduced a lecture by Scholem on Kabbalah with a statement that
> Kabbalah itself was "nonsense", but the academic study of Kabbalah was
> "scholarship". This view became popular among many Jews, who viewed
> the subject as worthy of study, but who did not accept Kabbalah as
> teaching literal truths.
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> According to Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson (Dean of the Conservative
> Ziegler School of Rabbinical Studies in the University of Judaism),
> "many western Jews insisted that their future and their freedom ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Sep 1, 2007 20:56
On Sep 1, 11:39 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Sep 1, 9:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> "Since all forms of reform or liberal Judaism are rooted in the
>> Enlightenment and tied to the assumptions of European modernity,
>> Kabbalah tended to be rejected by most Jews in the Conservative and
>> Reform movements, though its influences were not completely
>> eliminated. While it was generally not studied as a discipline, the
>> Kabbalistic Kabbalat Shabbat service remained part of liberal liturgy,
>> as did the Yedid Nefesh prayer. Nevertheless, in the 1960s, Rabbi Saul
>> Lieberman of the Jewish Theological Seminary, is reputed to have
>> introduced a lecture by Scholem on Kabbalah with a statement that
>> Kabbalah itself was "nonsense", but the academic study of Kabbalah was
>> "scholarship". This view became popular among many Jews, who viewed ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Sep 2, 2007 03:14
> the Gentile soul emanates from the
> "left side" of the Sefirotic structure and that non-Jews therefore
> have a dark or demonic aspect to them that is absent in Jews.
The "left side" and "Sefirotic structure" sound like nonsense but
there's plenty of evidence that Gentiles are often more demonic than
Jews.
It also explains why so many Jews have such great difficulty believing
others can be demonic. They aren't that way so they assume others
aren't either.
This often turns out to be a bad assumption.
The only way to explain the Holocaust is that the Jews simply couldn't
believe it was happening.
The confusion, misunderstanding and injustice goes even further when
many Gentiles simply cannot believe the Jews could have been that
naive and therefore find denying the Holocaust to be more plausible.
Someone needs to tell the Sen. Lieberman, the neocons, AIPAC, etc., no
Gentile is more demonic than Cheney.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Sep 2, 2007 07:51
On Sep 2, 6:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>> the Gentile soul emanates from the
>> "left side" of the Sefirotic structure and that non-Jews therefore
>> have a dark or demonic aspect to them that is absent in Jews.
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> The "left side" and "Sefirotic structure" sound like nonsense but
> there's plenty of evidence that Gentiles are often more demonic than
> Jews.
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> It also explains why so many Jews have such great difficulty believing
> others can be demonic. They aren't that way so they assume others
> aren't either.
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> This often turns out to be a bad assumption.
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> The only way to explain the Holocaust is that the Jews simply couldn't
> believe it was happening.
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> The confusion, misunderstanding and injustice goes even further when
> many Gentiles simply cannot believe the Jews could have been that ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Sep 2, 2007 15:35
> judaism is now 3-4 thousand years old
Then there should be no rush to change it overnight.
> 3-4 thousand years ago, there were popular, normative beliefs in a
> sun-god, an idol or a dozen, the devil idol (baal), holy cows,
> nature and what not; and what has changed today, b-t-w, re billions
> of various peoples beliefs
> because the masses of peoples or the real folks are not (by
> definition) intellectuals nor well-educated/well-read nor open-minded
> blah blah
> so, judaism, as insular-provincial-tribal as it has historically been,
> also has evolved, changed and developed as have the others ( islam and
> christianity are not the same now as they have been of course)
Judaism is pretty mainstream in the U. S. now. When was the last time
you heard of a real pogram?
> the "schism" or splitting of the original christians from jews became
> a competition for converts
Except for Jesus and some apostles, were many of the early Christian
converts Jews or polytheists?
> and guess who won dominance when the roman empire converted?
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Sep 2, 2007 18:22
On Sep 2, 10:51 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Sep 2, 6:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
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>>>> the Gentile soul emanates from the
>>> "left side" of the Sefirotic structure and that non-Jews therefore
>>> have a dark or demonic aspect to them that is absent in Jews.
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>> The "left side" and "Sefirotic structure" sound like nonsense but
>> there's plenty of evidence that Gentiles are often more demonic than
>> Jews.
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>> It also explains why so many Jews have such great difficulty believing
>> others can be demonic. They aren't that way so they assume others
>> aren't either.
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>> This often turns out to be a bad assumption. ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Sep 3, 2007 17:11
On Sep 2, 9:22 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Sep 2, 10:51 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 2, 6:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>
>>>> the Gentile soul emanates from the
>>>> "left side" of the Sefirotic structure and that non-Jews therefore
>>>> have a dark or demonic aspect to them that is absent in Jews.
>
>>> The "left side" and "Sefirotic structure" sound like nonsense but
>>> there's plenty of evidence that Gentiles are often more demonic than
>>> Jews.
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>>> It also explains why so many Jews have such great difficulty believing
>>> others can be demonic. They aren't that way so they assume others
>>> aren't either. ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Sep 3, 2007 19:05
Some sincere science people want so bad for everything to be solved
_now_ they have difficulty admitting to the reality that everything
isn't understood yet and a lot may never be determined. It's like
they are worried about the creationists' silly argument that if we
aren't omniscient about every missing link, then we cannot say
anything about anything.
It's the same mentality as the "final static state of society"
argument implied by [corp. sponsored] "liberal" elitists. Since a
great progressive like Jefferson had slaves, then nothing he did or
said means anything. If that were true, then since we are living
unsustainably, then nothing we say or do now should have any value
either for surely we will be condemned by future generations, assuming
any people even survive _our_ peak oil and _our_ global warming, an
increasingly bad assumption.
On the other hand a lot of admitted (bragged about?) ignorance or
mysticism is just sloth or a scam or a conflict of interest, i. e.,
when a nun says "it's a mystery" or when a New York Times writer
admits he's too dumb to figure out why the U. S. has fundies while
Europe doesn't.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Sep 3, 2007 22:21
On Sep 3, 8:11 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Sep 2, 9:22 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 2, 10:51 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 2, 6:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>
>>>>> the Gentile soul emanates from the
>>>>> "left side" of the Sefirotic structure and that non-Jews therefore
>>>>> have a dark or demonic aspect to them that is absent in Jews.
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>>>> The "left side" and "Sefirotic structure" sound like nonsense but
>>>> there's plenty of evidence that Gentiles are often more demonic than
>>>> Jews.
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>>>> It also explains why so many Jews have such great difficulty believing ...
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