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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jul 24, 2008 15:01
A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
Since there is no substitute coming on line anytime soon there is no
reason to believe the cost of hydrocarbon fuel will stop spiraling,
especially with China's double digit growth rate, with oil wells
"rolling over" and with the Fed trying to keep the frog from jumping.
In two years the cost of an equivalent of diesel fuel will be $8.50 a
gallon and in 6 years it will be $25/gallon, if not more.
Today the cost of mechanical energy from diesel power is 10 cents/kW-
hr., in two years it will be 17 cents/kW - hr. and in 6 years, 50
cents/kW-hr.
TVA now sells now electricity for 7 cents/kW-hr off peak.
You can buy a lot of cell phone or laptop batteries with the amount of
money you are now paying for diesel, gasoline or other hydrocarbon
fuel.
Polar bears and tropical frogs never even enter the equation.
Bret Cahill
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jul 24, 2008 15:23
On Jul 24, 6:01Â pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:> A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
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> Since there is no substitute coming on line anytime soon there is no
> reason to believe the cost of hydrocarbon fuel will stop spiraling,
> especially with China's double digit growth rate, with oil wells
> "rolling over" and with the Fed trying to keep the frog from jumping.
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> In two years the cost of an equivalent of diesel fuel will be $8.50 a
> gallon and in 6 years it will be $25/gallon, if not more.
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> Today the cost of mechanical energy from diesel power is 10 cents/kW-
> hr., in two years it will be 17 cents/kW - hr. and in 6 years, 50
> cents/kW-hr.
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> TVA now sells now electricity for 7 cents/kW-hr off peak.
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> You can buy a lot of cell phone or laptop batteries with the amount of
> money you are now paying for diesel, gasoline or other hydrocarbon
> fuel. ...
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Jul 24, 2008 15:40
On Jul 25, 8:23Â am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Jul 24, 6:01Â pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
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>>> A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
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>> Since there is no substitute coming on line anytime soon there is no
>> reason to believe the cost of hydrocarbon fuel will stop spiraling,
>> especially with China's double digit growth rate, with oil wells
>> "rolling over" and with the Fed trying to keep the frog from jumping.
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>> In two years the cost of an equivalent of diesel fuel will be $8.50 a
>> gallon and in 6 years it will be $25/gallon, if not more.
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>> Today the cost of mechanical energy from diesel power is 10 cents/kW-
>> hr., in two years it will be 17 cents/kW - hr. and in 6 years, 50
>> cents/kW-hr. ...
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Author: Sid9Sid9 Date: Jul 24, 2008 15:45
> On Jul 24, 6:01 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>> A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
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>> Since there is no substitute coming on line anytime soon there is no
>> reason to believe the cost of hydrocarbon fuel will stop spiraling,
>> especially with China's double digit growth rate, with oil wells
>> "rolling over" and with the Fed trying to keep the frog from jumping.
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>> In two years the cost of an equivalent of diesel fuel will be $8.50 a
>> gallon and in 6 years it will be $25/gallon, if not more.
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>> Today the cost of mechanical energy from diesel power is 10 cents/kW-
>> hr., in two years it will be 17 cents/kW - hr. and in 6 years, 50
>> cents/kW-hr.
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>> TVA now sells now electricity for 7 cents/kW-hr off peak.
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>> You can buy a lot of cell phone or laptop batteries with the amount of ...
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Author: Tim WescottTim Wescott Date: Jul 24, 2008 17:05
Bret Cahill wrote:
> A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
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Author: Rob DekkerRob Dekker Date: Jul 24, 2008 18:14
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>A new diesel engine can cull up to 50 kW-hrs from a gallon of diesel.
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Bret, the story is much more in favor of electricity than what you present.
Diesel has a heating value average of 38.6 MJ/liter, or 146MJ/gallon. That is 40.7 kWh.
Efficiency of diesel engines, mmm, varies widely, but probably in between 30%% and 40%% (anyone has any better numbers?) in real life
use in a large vehicle.
That would mean that a diesel engine would release between 12 kWh and 16 kWh of work from one gallon of diesel.
At close to $5/gallon (current diesel retail price in California), this is $0.30-$0.40 per kWh.
For gasoline, the story is even worse : 34.8MJ/liter (132MJ/gallon), and lower efficiency (20%%-25%%) in real life vehicles, gives 7.3
kWh - 9 kWh of work.
At $3.80/gallon gasoline, this is $0.42-$0.52 per kWh.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jul 24, 2008 18:22
>> Going electric would seem to be the way forward. Getting the electric
>> in and out of the grid is the big stumbling block.
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> On Jul 24, 6:45 pm, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:
> There are many ways to do it.
> All America needs is the leadership to provide the motivation.
> Republican have demonstrated that they haven't got what's needed.
Politicians are salesmen.
For example Clinton had eight years.
I'm not interested in salesmen.
I'm interested in Scientists.
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Author: algortexalgortex Date: Jul 24, 2008 18:28
Bret Cahill wrote:
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> Polar bears and tropical frogs never even enter the equation.
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Al says,
Try our new and improved Low Temperature BEC, now with Rubidium!
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Date: Jul 24, 2008 18:36
> Bret Cahill wrote:
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>> Polar bears and tropical frogs never even enter the equation.
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> Al says,
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> Try our new and improved Low Temperature BEC, now with Rubidium!
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Would you guys kindly remove "sci.electronics.basics" from the group list.
It has nothing to do with electronics.
If you want to jump on Bret Cahill please do so on sci. energy, or alt.
politics. , or alt philosophy, or what ever.
OK I'm calm now.
Best Regards,
Tom
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Author: Rob DekkerRob Dekker Date: Jul 24, 2008 19:09
"Tom Biasi" optonline.net> wrote in message news:g-GdndPpI_zjsBTVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@giganews.com...>> Bret Cahill wrote:
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>>> Polar bears and tropical frogs never even enter the equation.
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>> Al says,
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>> Try our new and improved Low Temperature BEC, now with Rubidium!
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> Would you guys kindly remove "sci.electronics.basics" from the group list. It has nothing to do with electronics.
> If you want to jump on Bret Cahill please do so on sci. energy, or alt. politics. , or alt philosophy, or what ever.
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> OK I'm calm now.
> Best Regards,
> Tom
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