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Author: turtoni
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:22

Consciousness is a subjective label.

In my opinion "consciousness" is the application of "language".

Without "language" there is no "consciousness".

The more sophisticated the "language" the more "consciousness".
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Re: Consciousness is a subjective label         


Author: Sean
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:28

"turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
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> Consciousness is a subjective label.
>
> In my opinion "consciousness" is the application of "language".
>
> Without "language" there is no "consciousness".
>
> The more sophisticated the "language" the more "consciousness".

Interesting opinion.

Is there consciousness in Silence?

Be silent and listen.

[Doing a dictionary search on the word "anagram" might help. I say "might".]
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Re: Consciousness is a subjective label         


Author: turtoni
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:46

On Sep 18, 10:28 pm, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:
> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
>
> news:26ce7897-ad36-4cd2-921f-8fed020dcc2e@73g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Consciousness is a subjective label.
>
>> In my opinion "consciousness" is the application of "language".
>
>> Without "language" there is no "consciousness".
>
>> The more sophisticated the "language" the more "consciousness".
>
> Interesting opinion.
>
> Is there consciousness in Silence?
>
> Be silent and listen.
>
> [Doing a dictionary search on the word "anagram" might help. I say "might".] ...
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Re: Consciousness is a subjective label         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Sep 19, 2008 06:26

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0700, turtoni wrote:
> Without "language" there is no "consciousness".
>
> The more sophisticated the "language" the more "consciousness".

Interesting.

My new position here is: Humans always had language, if language can be
extended to encompass a system of communicating abstractions, like
'feelings', distant events and objects.

The very interesting issue you raise here is the element of
'sophistication' being tied to the quality of 'conscious'.

I can see how this is not true at all. Of course, the definition of being
"more conscious" would have to be settled first.

Who is the "more conscious", one who drinks the water or one who hears
about it?

Complexity or sophistication might be a hindrance. Quantity mistaken for
quality.

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Re: Consciousness is a subjective label         


Author: turtoni
Date: Sep 19, 2008 07:14

On Sep 19, 9:26 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>> Without "language" there is no "consciousness".
>
>> The more sophisticated the "language" the more "consciousness".
>
> Interesting.
>
> My new position here is: Humans always had language, if language can be
> extended to encompass a system of communicating abstractions, like
> 'feelings', distant events and objects.

Agreed.
> The very interesting issue you raise here is the element of
> 'sophistication' being tied to the quality of 'conscious'.
>
> I can see how this is not true at all. Of course, the definition of being
> "more conscious" would have to be settled first.

Is an ant "conscious" ? Is a dog "conscious"?
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