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Author: Anthony G. RubinoAnthony G. Rubino Date: Feb 18, 2008 09:27
andy-k quoted Art:
Since you refuse to explain your concept of electron consciousness, all
I can do is ask you again to explain it. I've stated my case.
Consciousness without information to process is meaningless. There would
be nothing to be conscious of.
andy-k wrote:
There would be its interactions with other elementary particles to be
conscious of.
My comment,
The concept of consciousness includes an awareness of pain. Any
definition of consciousness that excludes that awareness is a perversion
of the concept of consciousness. It is painful to me to witness the
linguistic machinations that obscure that simple and necessary
understanding of consciousness.
Whatever can not feel pain, or pleasure, is not capable of
consciousness.
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Author: Anthony G. RubinoAnthony G. Rubino Date: Feb 18, 2008 19:40
Art wrote:
That's not the definition under consideration. Electrons might at the
very least be aware of their activities. When considering the pansychism
hypothesis, we're obviously not including a requirement in the
consciousness concept/definition of feelings and emotions that complex
biological systems might experience. I had suggested somewhere here:
"Consiousness is the way information feels when it is being processed".
Qualia is the key here, not pain.
My reply,
Attributing feelings to information is quite an unusual conception of
consciousness.
If feelings, why not pain, or pleasure?
What is pain, if not a quale?
Do you consider anything to be without consciousness?
Cor ad cor loquitor.
Tony, philosopher
http://www.geocities.com/trisector/
So many misconceptions, so little time.
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Author: ArtArt Date: Feb 19, 2008 04:41
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:40:25 -0500, TRISECTOR@ webtv.net (Anthony G.
Rubino) wrote:
>Art wrote:
>That's not the definition under consideration. Electrons might at the
>very least be aware of their activities. When considering the pansychism
>hypothesis, we're obviously not including a requirement in the
>consciousness concept/definition of feelings and emotions that complex
>biological systems might experience. I had suggested somewhere here:
>"Consiousness is the way information feels when it is being processed".
>Qualia is the key here, not pain.
>
>My reply,
>Attributing feelings to information is quite an unusual conception of
>consciousness.
>If feelings, why not pain, or pleasure?
>What is pain, if not a quale?
>Do you consider anything to be without consciousness?
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Author: caseycasey Date: Feb 19, 2008 23:59
On Feb 19, 11:41 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:
> By "energy" here I don't mean physical energy as in
> e = mc ^ 2 ... the mass/energy equivalency in physics.
> I mean spiritual energy that forms all realms of
> existence. There is nothing that is not a form of or
> manifestation of this spiritual energy, in my view.
Physical energy of course is the capacity to do work.
It exists in different forms, kinetic, potential,
electrical and so on ...
Does spiritual energy come in different forms also?
How do you measure it?
> As Nagel pointed out (link was supplied by Andy) bats
> seem to us as alien life forms ... having no sense of
> sight and using their sonars to detect objects. Yet,
> we are likely to grant that bats are conscious. What
> is their conscious experience like?
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Author: ArtArt Date: Feb 20, 2008 05:29
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:59:18 -0800 (PST), casey
yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 11:41 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:
>>> By "energy" here I don't mean physical energy as in
>> e = mc ^ 2 ... the mass/energy equivalency in physics.
>> I mean spiritual energy that forms all realms of
>> existence. There is nothing that is not a form of or
>> manifestation of this spiritual energy, in my view.
>
>Physical energy of course is the capacity to do work.
>It exists in different forms, kinetic, potential,
>electrical and so on ...
>
>Does spiritual energy come in different forms also?
>How do you measure it?
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Author: caseycasey Date: Feb 20, 2008 07:58
On Feb 21, 12:29 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:59:18 -0800 (PST), casey
...
>> Does spiritual energy come in different forms also?
>> How do you measure it?
...
> My use of the term "energy" is meant to convey the
> notion of something like "active".
Does the evidence for this come purely from introspection?
JC
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Author: ArtArt Date: Feb 20, 2008 08:42
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:58:29 -0800 (PST), casey
yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Feb 21, 12:29 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:59:18 -0800 (PST), casey
> ...
>>> Does spiritual energy come in different forms also?
>>> How do you measure it?
>
> ...
>> My use of the term "energy" is meant to convey the
>> notion of something like "active".
>
>Does the evidence for this come purely from introspection?
I speak with the gods :)
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Author: caseycasey Date: Feb 20, 2008 09:21
On Feb 21, 3:42 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:58:29 -0800 (PST), casey
>
> yahoo.com.au> wrote:>>On Feb 21, 12:29 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:59:18 -0800 (PST), casey
>> ...
>>>> Does spiritual energy come in different forms also?
>>>> How do you measure it?
>
>> ...
>>> My use of the term "energy" is meant to convey the
>>> notion of something like "active".
>
>>Does the evidence for this come purely from introspection?
>
> I speak with the gods :)
>
> I've not made any secret on this newsgroup that the source
> of my personal philosophy came from a very disreputable source. ...
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Author: ArtArt Date: Feb 20, 2008 10:47
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:21:19 -0800 (PST), casey
yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Feb 21, 3:42 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:58:29 -0800 (PST), casey
>>
>> yahoo.com.au> wrote:>>>On Feb 21, 12:29 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:>>>> On Tue...
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