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Author: LaurentLaurent Date: Oct 27, 2007 11:11
Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
no motion?
Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
mind. Thus consciousness appears with the emergence of matter, not
before. First there had to be matter before there could be any brains,
and matter is spacetime dependent. Brains emerged from the evolution
of information that existed in spacetime. There can't be evolution
outside of spacetime.
Now, after billions of years, this information exchange between matter
and the environment in which it evolves has produced ever more complex
(information engenders information) self-organized systems. Like human
beings for example, who have evolved to take full advantage of this
holistic awareness function of Nature, which is what enables us to
think outside the grip of time, allowing us to remember the past and
imagine the future. Thought can be conceived as part of the same
holistic awareness function with which matter started organizing
itself billions of years ago.
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Author: ArtArt Date: Oct 27, 2007 11:20
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:11:26 -0700, Laurent gmail.com>
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>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>no motion?
Sure.
>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>mind.
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Author: LaurentLaurent Date: Oct 27, 2007 12:02
On Oct 27, 2:20 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:11:26 -0700, Laurent gmail.com>
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>>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>no motion?
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> Sure.
>
>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>mind.
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Oct 27, 2007 12:10
On Oct 27, 1:20 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:11:26 -0700, Laurent gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>no motion?
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> Sure.
>
>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>mind.
Consciousness is the result of neural firings.
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Author: MillerMiller Date: Oct 27, 2007 12:49
"Art" zilch.com> wrote in message
news:0307i3tg1kgtmvprmqm968pppmeuifcce9@4ax.com...> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:11:26 -0700, Laurent gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>no motion?
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> Sure.
>
>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>mind.
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> You've got things backwards. Consciousness creates matter, space and
> time ... not the other way around.
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> Art
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Author: ArtArt Date: Oct 27, 2007 13:39
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:49:32 -0400, "Miller"
chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>>no motion?
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>>mind.
>>
>> You've got things backwards. Consciousness creates matter, space and
>> time ... not the other way around.
>>
>> Art
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>See, and then I would go and say that they (consciousness and space-time)
>are two aspects of the same phenomenon.
>
>Scott
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 27, 2007 13:43
On Oct 27, 11:11 am, Laurent gmail.com> wrote:> Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
> no motion?
>
> Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
> mind. Thus consciousness appears with the emergence of matter, not
> before. First there had to be matter before there could be any brains,
> and matter is spacetime dependent. Brains emerged from the evolution
> of information that existed in spacetime. There can't be evolution
> outside of spacetime.
>
> Now, after billions of years, this information exchange between matter
> and the environment in which it evolves has produced ever more complex
> (information engenders information) self-organized systems. Like human
> beings for example, who have evolved to take full advantage of this
> holistic awareness function of Nature, which is what enables us to
> think outside the grip of time, allowing us to remember the past and
> imagine the future. Thought can be conceived as part of the same
> holistic awareness function with which matter started organizing
> itself billions of years ago. ...
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Author: MillerMiller Date: Oct 27, 2007 13:46
"Art" zilch.com> wrote in message
news:gs77i3pij5mrnmenu41okad6neq4sb97de@4ax.com...> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:49:32 -0400, "Miller"
> chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>>>no motion?
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>>>mind.
>>>
>>> You've got things backwards. Consciousness creates matter, space and
>>> time ... not the other way around.
>>>
>>> Art
>>
>>See, and then I would go and say that they (consciousness and space-time)
>>are two aspects of the same phenomenon. ...
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Author: LaurentLaurent Date: Oct 27, 2007 14:30
On Oct 27, 4:39 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:49:32 -0400, "Miller"
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> chartermi.net> wrote:>>>>Could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore
>>>>no motion?
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>>> Sure.
>
>>>>Consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain, no
>>>>mind.
>
>>> You've got things backwards. Consciousness creates matter, space and
>>> time ... not the other way around.
>
>>> Art ...
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Author: magpiesmnmagpiesmn Date: Oct 27, 2007 14:45
I think the mind in its pure form is just perception realized. When
you have a thing with an ability to realize something about the world
I would say you have a thinking thing at that point. So the question
is at what point does something begin to be able to realize things
about the world? And what allows something to take a perception of a
world?
My answer to the first question I would need to understand at what
point I myself begin to realize things about the world. I would find
myself pondering what exactly am I realizing about my world and...
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