> On Jun 28, 10:35 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>> "kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message

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>>> funny, from most of the posts I recall reading that were written by
>>> you, Mark, I had you pegged as one of the more level-headed members of
>>> this forum. Never would have thought you had a closed mind..

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>>> but when a whole race of sentient beings say......

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>>> oh well, it's all too confusing for me, I haven't figured out if Borg
>>> Collective is the same as Borg,
>>> K e v

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>> I'd like to pose a more serious angle to the idea of mind.  We proceed on
>> the assumption that we are single entities, defined essentially by that
>> organ we call our brain.  Yet, 'thought' is an organization of waves that
>> may, and often do, originate elsewhere.  The brain then becomes a receptacle
>> by which we process another's thought as our own.  Yet...who OWNS the
>> thought?  The originator? The processor?

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> Both. "We" are always reinventig ourselves (as a group) and the
> internet is the best working model so far, of what you are describing.
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> No 'owners' just contributors.
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>> Perhaps it could even be argued that our thoughts are owned by the raw
>> resource of the environment itself...as the origin of the originator.

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> More accurateto say 'the raw resources re 'molded' into thoughts.
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>> In the annals of time, I doubt any of us can trace back any single thought
>> to it's originator.  We are all carbon copies of many other carbon copies,
>> arranged and re-arranged to become a cornocopia of mass thought and
>> characterization as each thought amasses itself across our organic
>> structures to give "sway" and weight to this sense of BEing...as single
>> entities.  Yet...are we 'single entities'....or could the mind itself be a
>> structure that crosses any and all brains like polyps upon a coral reef?
>> What really seperates us from antiquity...since the mind itself is kept
>> alive across generations, evolving, growing, becoming...

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> There is a tremendous difference between 'being' and a sense of being.
> The latter is more of an instinctive  'connection' to the self while
> caught up in the group. From this comes conscience, sympathy, empathy
> etc. All essential to the realization of self. Also disappointment and
> anxiety as one evolves away from the group 'gravitational pull'.
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>> Under such light, a cross venture of existence could possibly exist that we
>> do not normally recognize as 'self' beyond the constraints of our singular
>> organic structure.  Perhaps then, it becomes a matter of the gifted who
>> might see beyond that singularity [ha, another usage of this battered about
>> term these days].

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> Not 'gifted', just further down the track than the majority. To carry
> the concept of 'gifted' is a blockage, ironically because modesty is
> one of the necessary attributes.
> "May the best man win" is a mantra that is well beyond its shelf
> life....for some of course.
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>> Perhaps each and every thought is really a lifeform in
>> and of itself...caught for that instant of it's creation, with a certain
>> longetivity by the capacity to capture our imaginations.  We IMAGINE
>> ourselves to BE...in whatever form we Imagine.  Our definitions themselves
>> but only conveniences much like a handle on a mug, only functional, but not
>> necessarily TRUTH itself.

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> Good description, but use that in the context that "I the beginning,
> god 'imagined'.
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> Of course, Einstein saw clearly the difference and supreriority of
> imagination over intellect.
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> The world we create around us comes from the 'group imagination"
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>> What indeed, IS the mind [though I'm sure Immort will give us what the
>> library says on the subject...not necessarily the truth, but surely a
>> definition].

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> The 'universal stuff' that facilitates creativity. Used by the
> 'individual' creater to ultimately learn of ones true identity.
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> If you contemplate this, all the great discoveries of the last century
> or so confirm, including quantum mechanics.
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