On Mar 5, 5:55 pm, "Mary Hogan"
zoominternet.net> wrote:>>> Because the Torah is the greatest Treasure on the planet. Story is like
>>> calling a piece of gold a rock. They aren't stories, there are learning.
>
>> Sorry
>
>>> So deep, each one. Like your religion says we need to have "faith" like
>>> Avraham.
>
>> Avraham = Abraham ??
>
>> What you learn after years of study, is that Avraham was over
>>> fifty when his uncle Noach lived,
>
>> Who is Noac? Is this Noah? If so what portion of the bible do you
>> get that Abraham and Noah lived at the same time?
>
>> so Shem always had an Academy. Not only
>>> that, Hashem spoke to Avraham. Now I can tell you I have a sister
>>> Veronica,
>>> which I don't. You can believe that I have a sister Veronica, but it be
>>> really stupid to say that "I have faith that I have a sister Veronica."
>
>> Faith implies reliance (not just belief). A belief without reliance
>> on that belief is not faith. If I say I think that chair can hold me
>> up, I do not express faith until I sit in the chair.
>
>>>>>> God's freeing of the Israelites out of Egypt
>
>>>>> Yes, and Who did it, Michael? Hashem Himself, and this debunks the
>>>>> story
>>>>> that he has to cow tow to the Sitra Achra, kill Himself and go to
>>>>> Gehinnom.
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>>>> I don't know what your terms mean (Who do you mean by Hashem? Who is
>>>> Sitra Achra, and where is Gehinnom?)
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>>> Gehinnom is like a pergatory, hell kinda. If you work on all your
>>> deficits
>>> and really do tshuvah (repentence) in this world, the Olam Hazeh
>>> you may not have to go there at all. But tshuvah is not six hail marys
>>> and
>>> an our fther. It's when you really feel pain for your transgressions.
>>> Where
>>> you feel embarrassed to Ha Kodesh Baruch Hu for your choices. The beauty
>>> of
>>> this path, and the most difficult thing, is that as you go along you are
>>> shown things that you had forgotten, and they hurt these mistakes. I
>>> have
>>> suffered countless hours for hurting people. I practically saw how
>>> deeply
>>> it hurt them. I know I'm rough here sometimes, but someone has got to
>>> say
>>> no.
>
>> Side note: I don't believe in purgatory (not found in the Bible) or
>> in penance (also not found in the Bible).
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> Penance, I haven't heard that Catholic term in years.
>
> So you don't feel any remorse for hurting people, or errors in judgement, or
> lies, or cheating.
Penance implies that there is something I can do to make up for my own
sins (against God). And their is not. Asking for forgiveness is
required to restore a relationship, but my asking for forgiveness does
not pay the debt for the actions I have done.
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> It is found all over the Torah. The beauty of David is that he made
> mistakes and moaned for years, begging forgiveness.
>
> Even the evil king Manasseh repented II Chronicles 33:12
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> I cannot believe you said the above, when Torah is filled with mistakes and
> corrections.
>
> I've got to just stop on this thread.
>
> I need a moment of my vary own to listen to an online class. I need to
> learn right now.
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>>> The Sitra Achra is a Kabbalistic interpretation of the soton. It is
>>> beyond
>>> the scope of my understanding, I am not a Kabbalist. I do find that
>>> addressing this situation with this word has more impact on my yetzer
>>> hara
>>> (Evil Inclination). But according to most sages, the soton is just a
>>> prosecutor. To others he tempts, the yetzer hara, he prosecute, and then
>>> Melech HaMovis, the angel of death. He is all three.
>
>>>> God's redemption of Israel out of Egypt was a foreshadowing of God's
>>>> future redemption of all of mankind out of the bondage of sin.
>
>>> Not all mankind. Sorry.
>
>> I believe that God came to redeem all of mankind, but not all of
>> mankind would acceptance that redemption.
>
>> But out of curiosity what portion of mankind do you think God intended
>> to redeem (i.e. save)?
>
>>>>> Your sorry religion depends on Sinai.
>
>>>> Not sure what this means. God gave a set of rules (via Moses) at Mt
>>>> Sinai. Is there something else you are implying?
>
>>> Take away the Torah, and then try to make sense out of the NT.
>
>> I agree.
>
>>>>>> Abraham's freeing of his cousin Lot from the 10 kings.
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>>>>> See pull these learnings out to prove that Yeshke was anything more
>>>>> than
>>>>> a
>>>>> "bad Jew." I use this learning every day.
>
>>>> Who is Yeshke?
>
>>> The dead man on the cross.
>>> Sorry.
>
>>>>>> One of the best accounts of redemption (in the old testament) of
>>>>>> course is Ruth.
>
>>>>> The Testament is not old. We could discuss Ruth for days.
>
>>>>>> And one of the most graphic accounts of a (then) future redemption
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be found is Isaiah 53.
>
>
>>>> I would rather focus on the Bible. Do you not believe the passage in
>>>> Isaiah 53 is true? If so what does it mean - to your understanding?
>
>>> I'm not arguing missionary garbage.
>
>>> Suffice it to say I have spent countless hours here, in Hebrew and your
>>> interpretation is corrupt.
>
>>>>>> And one of the most poignant pictures of redemption is Hosea and his
>>>>>> wife Gomer.
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>>>>> Here is another learning that is so deep and yet you think you can
>>>>> throw
>>>>> it
>>>>> on a list. Now, if you want to work on Gomer or Ruth and the concept
>>>>> and
>>>>> I'm blanking on the word, which I know so well about the situation
>>>>> with
>>>>> Tamar and Jehudah also. Darn it, I can't remember the word. I
>>>>> actually
>>>>> have to look it up, its Leverite marriage, BRB
>
>>>> What do you mean by deep? The story is rather simple? The Israelites
>>>> rebellion against God was appalling to God. So he used the example of
>>>> Hosea and Gomer to show them how appalling it was. Also it showed
>>>> God's love in spite of their sin.
>
>>> I Chronic
>
>>> I'm eating up the paragraph below. BRB
>
>>> t the people in the
>
>>>> Bible were far from perfect, but that God worked through their
>>>> imperfections. The while account (and it ramifications) could have
>>>> been avoided had it not been for Er's wickedness. That each of the
>>>> subsequent characters (including Tamar) also did wrong only shows
>>>> their humanity.
>
>>>>>> By the way who is Applewhitian?
>
>>>> Who is Applewhitian?
