Re: * Christ and the Resurrection of the Flesh * - The "world".
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Re: * Christ and the Resurrection of the Flesh * - The "world".         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: Libertarius
Date: Mar 22, 2008 18:58

Suzanne wrote:
> "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:47e10f81$0$2089$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>
>>"Suzanne" flash.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:kZ_Dj.1031$p24.298@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>>"Libertarius" wrote in message
>>>news:47dc3799$0$26973$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>>
>>>>Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Suzanne" flash.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:nAFCj.1152$qT6.69@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Robibnikoff" broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:63n25oF257sikU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Suzanne" flash.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:CmoBj.15688$0o7.3940@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Darrell Stec" webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:47d4992e$0$24101$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mike Painter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You'll notice that Suzanne never responded in kind to all you
>>>>>>>>>>>asses'
>>>>>>>>>>>insults. She has tremendous patience with you. I don't - you're
>>>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>>rude ignoramuses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I note nothing of the sort.
>>>>>>>>>>I do note that she is incapable or afraid to answer my questions
>>>>>>>>>>about the
>>>>>>>>>>bible or her version of a god.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why don't the two of you discuss it here. I'm sure we will be happy
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>just watch and wait for the inevitable - if you are honest - time
>>>>>>>>>>when you
>>>>>>>>>>find that she is wrong and you are rignt because she does not
>>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>>understand some minor point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which bible is the right bible and why?
>>>>>>>>>>Which version of god is the right one and why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The irony of some of the posters here is delicious. Suzanne seems
>>>>>>>>>to come
>>>>>>>>>directly from some charismatic fundamentalism Christianity. Terry
>>>>>>>>>seems to
>>>>>>>>>be a Jew hating Christian who embraces some form of Mohammendism but
>>>>>>>>>thinks
>>>>>>>>>the Shroud is genuine. And Linda is a Christian that seems to base
>>>>>>>>>most of
>>>>>>>>>her theology on the Old Testament but believes the New Testament has
>>>>>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>corrupted by that evil Paul. Roger of course, is pure
>>>>>>>>>Fundamentalist all
>>>>>>>>>the way down, not unlike Southern Baptists. They are all believers
>>>>>>>>>in the
>>>>>>>>>bible (cafeteria style naturally) yet their views are totally
>>>>>>>>>disparate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems the word of god cannot make its meaning clear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am simply a Southern Baptist, Darrell, and I believe the
>>>>>>>>Bible in it's entirety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You believe the world was created in 6 days? That you descended from a
>>>>>>>man made out of dirt and a woman made out of his rib? Oh dear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Robyn, I don't know everything, that's for sure. I don't know
>>>>>>how long a day was in the beginning of things when the world
>>>>>>was created.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There's no evidence the world was created. Unless you can prove that,
>>>>>there's no reason to discuss it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>===>The "world" of Genesis 1 is just a flat earth surrondedd with
>>>>water and covered with a star-studded solid dome sky above which there
>>>>was stored some more water. No solar system, no galaxies, nothing of the
>>>>now known universe. Just what the primitive writer of that fable was
>>>>able to perceive, most of the story being based on ancient
>>>>Sumero-Babylonian mythology the writer no doubt picked up during the
>>>>Babylonian exile. Note the reference to the "Sabbath", the Babylonian
>>>>SHABBATU based on the lunar cycle. The extraterrestrial ELOHIM did
>>>>their work in just six days and rested on the SHABBATU, just like any
>>>>good Babylonian would. -- L.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>I see that you have some knowledge. But with it you
>>>need wisdom. Wisdom is seeing things from God's
>>>point of view.
>>
>>Wisdom is not ignoring reality.
>>
>>If you don't have that, then what you
>>
>>>have is incomplete.
>>
>>You are.
>>
>>
>>
>>>You might want to prove to us all how you know
>>>that the earth was flat.
>>
>>
>>What a strange statement the above is.
>>
>
> I know...but Libertarius has said this in detail
> before. There is a history to the things he has
> said. He may be saying facetiously that believers
> at one time believed the world was flat. Some
> of us have tried to show him that most believers
> through the ages have not thought that. Remember
> when Columbus wanted the king and queen to give
> him ships to explore looking for a passage to India?
> They thought he would sail off the edge of the
> world! But it is believed that he had some ancient
> maps that showed the world was not flat. Something
> made him believe it was round because he was going
> to sail West in order to get to an Eastern country.
>
> Suzanne

===>That is true about Colombus, and probably about
most educated people of his time who accepted the
scientific view of the spherical earth over the biblical,
actually Sumero-Babylonian, view of
a flat earth covered with a star-studded sky dome.

The biblical authors were men of their time, and they lived, quite
literally, in the world of their time. And it had a solid ceiling. (Did
you notice that even the English word “ceiling” is based on the root
word for heaven, as in “cel estial”?)

“For the Sumerians the universe was a tripartite structure – heaven (the
place of the high gods), earth (the realm of humans), and the
netherworld (the realm of deceased humans and the mortuary gods).
According to S.N. Kramer, since the Sumerian word for tin is ‘metal of
heaven,’ it may be that the Sumerians thought that the floor of heaven
was made of tin or some comparable metal. It also appears that the
Sumerians considered the sky to be a vault or dome because we read of
heaven having a zenith.” (J. Edward Wright, The Early History of Heaven.
NY: Oxford University Press, 2000, p. 29.)

The Earth is likened to a clay tablet in the Book of Job by God himself:

"Have you ever in your life commanded the morning,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
It [the earth] is changed like clay under the seal:
And they stand forth like a garment
And from the wicked their light is withheld,
And the uplifted arm is broken." (Job 38:12-15, NASB)

A flat clay tablet is being spoken of, whose surface is "changed" or
"takes shape" by the pressing of a magistrate's (or businessman's) seal
upon the flat clay as was common practice back then. The seals
themselves could be flat or even cylinders rolled on the flat clay.
Today there are thousands of such ancient clay tablets known to
archeologists. And if the flat clay tablet is "changed" by the
impression of a seal pressed upon it, and the clay tablet is a metaphor
for "the earth" being changed by the light of dawn upon its surface,
then you can easily see that the Book of Job is speaking of a flat earth.

When the book of Genesis described a "flood" that covered the whole
world, and reduced the world to its pre-creation watery beginning, the
story states that the "flood gates of the sky" were "opened." Neither
did the author of that fable suppose that all the water above the
firmament fell to earth, but instead he assumed that the "flood gates"
had to be "shut" to stop more water from falling, and the creator had to
promise not to flood the earth again with such waters. So, the Bible
agrees with Luther that "the waters above the firmament" remained "up
there," held firmly in place by a firmament--and this agrees completely
with ancient tales of creation in which the world arose from a division
of waters that encompass creation still, and which the creator keeps at
bay via a firmament above the earth.

“He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not
totter, forever and ever.”
(Psalm 104:5)

“The world is firmly established, it will not be moved.” (Psalm 93:1 & 1
Chronicles 16:30)

“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Who hath
stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof?” (Job 38:4-6)

“For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on
them.” (1 Samuel 2:8)

“It is I who have firmly set its pillars.” (Psalm 75:3)

“Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world.” (Jeremiah
10:12)

SEE
http://www.infidelguy.com/heaven_sky.htm

There is nothing shameful about this, the HUMAN authors of those
books compiled in the Bible simply didn't know any better.
But to attribute their ignorant statements to an omniscient deity
by calling it "God's Word", is just asinine. -- L.
>
>>And God bless you, whether
>>
>>>you want to be blessed or not. : )
>>
>>Satan bless you and yours.
>
> Blessings are the granting of grace from God.
>
> Suzanne
>
>

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