> Linda Lee wrote:

>> On Apr 24, 1:57 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>> On Apr 24, 1:38 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>> On Apr 24, 1:24 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 12:48 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 12:43 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 11:58 pm, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DanielSan" gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:zJqdnUzTz8iH4ZDVnZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terry Cross wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 9:57 pm, "Mike Painter" sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mike Painter" sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:TATOj.1146$ix6.582@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am posting in a newsgroup where I am accepted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm also posting in a thread that obviously has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian topic, which you don't have to read at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the subject matter should be determined by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, the reader before you even open it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are posting in four news group and the only support you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes from a bigot (read what he says about being Jewish) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody who does not agree with what your god told you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just hear a voice and can only deny your mental problems by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming that "real" schizophrenics hear more than one voice.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I was repeating what was said to me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replying that I did not hear those kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices that the other poster was claiming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schizophrenics hear. Since I've not heard those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices, there is no way that the question was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is exactly what they say and what he said used the plural of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both words, it did not imply that all hear multiple voices.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When someone hears the voice of Jesus, coming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it is a feeling of joy, and a feeling of hope;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He cheers you up, he tells you things that make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you laugh, he's with you in the middle of things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would otherwise overwhelm a person. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never violates what Scripture says, so he will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be telling someone to go do something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is against his word. He gives adventure, He gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart-warming experiences where you have helped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone. He gives insight, explanations, engenders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust, teaches you more and more to trust him. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives assignments and where they lead you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, but if you do them, you will usually have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mountain top experience in what you learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him. You will find yourself listening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the word of God when someone is expounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon it, and listening for messages that he had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are just for you. He prepares your heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead of time for things you need to know. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell you what others are thinking some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, if he needs for you to know that. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell you which way to go if you are lost in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something or some place. He will show you a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of escape if you need one. He provides for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. He does not shield you from all things,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because some things are good for you to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to know. He will teach you the meaning of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Word, the Scriptures if you will listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him about all of it. Sometimes he will just talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you as in a conversation with a friend. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will lead you to a particular Bible story and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then expound upon it. You may hear the story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several times in a row and when you do, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is confirmation that there is something in that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story that he wants you to know or figure out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which will benefit you or people you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can share it with. So when you hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these kinds of things, it is good, and you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it is from the Lord.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet this voice can't be shown to be real

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can't be shown to people who are deaf and blind? I guess not, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no surprise that, either

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, it can. Just need an interpreter and there is computer software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there that can handle that. Speech-to-text software linked with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-to-braille software. You speak, the computer outputs braille. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> third party communication necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, might want to read up on Helen Keller. You can find a dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depiction of her life in "The Miracle Worker" by Annie Sullivan.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should read up on Helen Keller. When she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found out about Jesus, she told people she already knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him. She was referring to her life before she was able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to communicate. She added, "I just didn't know his name."

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked for a while for reference to this and just couldn't find it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except for second-hand (or third- or fourth-hand) accounts. I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a better reference for this, if you don't mind.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no need for software on a computer for a person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reach God. He's far more technically advanced than any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. You just bow your head, begin talking to him,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he will hear you from any place in the entire Universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You also can hear him if you put your trust in his method
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of salvation, which he says is through his Son. And when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you do that, you can hear him from any place in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Universe that he is at.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't that time be better served doing things instead of sitting idly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by? Nothing gets done if you're still.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ps. 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among
>>>>>>>>>>>> the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:7 For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose:
>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore have I cried concerning this, Their strength is to sit
>>>>>>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children
>>>>>>>>>>>> that will not hear the law of the LORD:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things,
>>>>>>>>>>>> prophesy deceits:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's better to do virtually nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Gotcha.

>>>>>>>>>> Prayer is not nothing; prayer makes things happen.

>>>>>>>>> I did not say it was "nothing". I said "virtually nothing". Can you
>>>>>>>>> show me how prayer makes things happen, though?

>>>>>>>> How does God work? I wouldn't presume to know. Sometimes God responds
>>>>>>>> to prayer (no, not every time as we don't control God). I posted here
>>>>>>>> how God responded to a prayer of mine, and it was denied and various
>>>>>>>> unconvincing explanations were offered to explain it away to the
>>>>>>>> atheists' satisfaction, so why should I go into it or any similar
>>>>>>>> experience again? It doesn't affect me if you remain skeptical; it
>>>>>>>> only affects you.

>>>>>>> Doesn't affect me either. I just don't believe it.
>>>>>>> See, when I do things, I want people to poke holes and find where I'm
>>>>>>> inconsistent. Criticism is the highest form of flattery, in my book.

>>>>>> Your book is wrong. Imitation, not criticism, is the highest form of
>>>>>> flattery.

>>>>> Perhaps to some, but not to me. Imitation means that you can't think
>>>>> for yourself. I don't want people like that surrounding me.
>>>>> I repeat what I said: In MY book, criticism is the highest form of flattery.

>>>>>>> If I was surrounded by Yes Men 24/7, I'd never grow.
>>>>>>> But, if you don't want that, I won't force you into it.

>>>> Okay, let me flatter you. You are acting out of ignorance by remaining
>>>> an atheist.

>>> Thank you for that.

>

>>> What, exactly, am I ignorant about? I've read the Bible thrice and keep
>>> a copy of it by my computer. Can you fill me in on what I'm ignorant about?

>

>> Apparently, you have not experienced anything you considered
>> supernatural? If you read the Scriptures with a disbelieving mind, a
>> skeptical attitude, I don't see how you can absorb any of it.

>
> I read the Bible in the same vein as I read things like biology and
> history text books.
>
> I couldn't find a single thing in the Bible that could be considered
> nonfiction.
>
>
>

>> I know you won't like hearing this again,

>
> Again with the assumptions?
>

>> and other believers may have
>> had a different experience, but I think you have to prove yourself to
>> God with a long period of belief/faith (by turning to Him in prayer
>> with trust for help and guidance) before He reveals Himself to you in
>> any certain manner.

>
> I'm sorry, but no. If something exists, I don't have to believe in it
> for it to be shown to exist.
>

>>(And I don't mean a long period of waiting to see
>> if there's any reason to believe. If you are skeptical, pray for
>> something to occur to change that, if that is what you want.) For some
>> reason, I didn't experience any skepticism, but I was a believer for
>> years before I received confirmation that changed belief to knowing.
>> Everyone's experience is different, likely because we are all
>> different and require different things to be sufficient as proof.

>

>> John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou
>> wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

>
> I'm sorry, but that is insufficient for me. For me, it has to be shown
> to exist BEFORE I believe it.