> On Apr 24, 1:57 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>> On Apr 24, 1:38 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>> On Apr 24, 1:24 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 12:48 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 12:43 am, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 11:58 pm, DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DanielSan" gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:zJqdnUzTz8iH4ZDVnZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terry Cross wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 9:57 pm, "Mike Painter" sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mike Painter" sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:TATOj.1146$ix6.582@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am posting in a newsgroup where I am accepted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm also posting in a thread that obviously has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian topic, which you don't have to read at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the subject matter should be determined by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, the reader before you even open it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are posting in four news group and the only support you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes from a bigot (read what he says about being Jewish) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody who does not agree with what your god told you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just hear a voice and can only deny your mental problems by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming that "real" schizophrenics hear more than one voice.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I was repeating what was said to me, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replying that I did not hear those kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices that the other poster was claiming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schizophrenics hear. Since I've not heard those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices, there is no way that the question was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is exactly what they say and what he said used the plural of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both words, it did not imply that all hear multiple voices.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When someone hears the voice of Jesus, coming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it is a feeling of joy, and a feeling of hope;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He cheers you up, he tells you things that make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you laugh, he's with you in the middle of things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would otherwise overwhelm a person. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never violates what Scripture says, so he will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be telling someone to go do something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is against his word. He gives adventure, He gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart-warming experiences where you have helped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone. He gives insight, explanations, engenders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust, teaches you more and more to trust him. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives assignments and where they lead you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, but if you do them, you will usually have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mountain top experience in what you learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him. You will find yourself listening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the word of God when someone is expounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon it, and listening for messages that he had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are just for you. He prepares your heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead of time for things you need to know. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell you what others are thinking some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, if he needs for you to know that. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell you which way to go if you are lost in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something or some place. He will show you a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of escape if you need one. He provides for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. He does not shield you from all things,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because some things are good for you to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to know. He will teach you the meaning of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Word, the Scriptures if you will listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him about all of it. Sometimes he will just talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you as in a conversation with a friend. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will lead you to a particular Bible story and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then expound upon it. You may hear the story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several times in a row and when you do, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is confirmation that there is something in that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story that he wants you to know or figure out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which will benefit you or people you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can share it with. So when you hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these kinds of things, it is good, and you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it is from the Lord.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet this voice can't be shown to be real

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can't be shown to people who are deaf and blind? I guess not, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no surprise that, either

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, it can. Just need an interpreter and there is computer software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there that can handle that. Speech-to-text software linked with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-to-braille software. You speak, the computer outputs braille. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> third party communication necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, might want to read up on Helen Keller. You can find a dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depiction of her life in "The Miracle Worker" by Annie Sullivan.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should read up on Helen Keller. When she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found out about Jesus, she told people she already knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him. She was referring to her life before she was able
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to communicate. She added, "I just didn't know his name."

>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked for a while for reference to this and just couldn't find it
>>>>>>>>>>>> except for second-hand (or third- or fourth-hand) accounts. I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> like a better reference for this, if you don't mind.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no need for software on a computer for a person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reach God. He's far more technically advanced than any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. You just bow your head, begin talking to him,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and he will hear you from any place in the entire Universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You also can hear him if you put your trust in his method
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of salvation, which he says is through his Son. And when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you do that, you can hear him from any place in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Universe that he is at.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't that time be better served doing things instead of sitting idly
>>>>>>>>>>>> by? Nothing gets done if you're still.

>>>>>>>>>>> Ps. 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among
>>>>>>>>>>> the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth".
>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:7 For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose:
>>>>>>>>>>> therefore have I cried concerning this, Their strength is to sit
>>>>>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a
>>>>>>>>>>> book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children
>>>>>>>>>>> that will not hear the law of the LORD:
>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets,
>>>>>>>>>>> Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things,
>>>>>>>>>>> prophesy deceits:
>>>>>>>>>>> Isa 30:11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause
>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

>>>>>>>>>> So, it's better to do virtually nothing.
>>>>>>>>>> Gotcha.

>>>>>>>>> Prayer is not nothing; prayer makes things happen.

>>>>>>>> I did not say it was "nothing". I said "virtually nothing". Can you
>>>>>>>> show me how prayer makes things happen, though?

>>>>>>> How does God work? I wouldn't presume to know. Sometimes God responds
>>>>>>> to prayer (no, not every time as we don't control God). I posted here
>>>>>>> how God responded to a prayer of mine, and it was denied and various
>>>>>>> unconvincing explanations were offered to explain it away to the
>>>>>>> atheists' satisfaction, so why should I go into it or any similar
>>>>>>> experience again? It doesn't affect me if you remain skeptical; it
>>>>>>> only affects you.

>>>>>> Doesn't affect me either. I just don't believe it.
>>>>>> See, when I do things, I want people to poke holes and find where I'm
>>>>>> inconsistent. Criticism is the highest form of flattery, in my book.

>>>>> Your book is wrong. Imitation, not criticism, is the highest form of
>>>>> flattery.

>>>> Perhaps to some, but not to me. Imitation means that you can't think
>>>> for yourself. I don't want people like that surrounding me.
>>>> I repeat what I said: In MY book, criticism is the highest form of flattery.

>>>>>> If I was surrounded by Yes Men 24/7, I'd never grow.
>>>>>> But, if you don't want that, I won't force you into it.

>>> Okay, let me flatter you. You are acting out of ignorance by remaining
>>> an atheist.

>> Thank you for that.
>>
>> What, exactly, am I ignorant about? I've read the Bible thrice and keep
>> a copy of it by my computer. Can you fill me in on what I'm ignorant about?

>
> Apparently, you have not experienced anything you considered
> supernatural? If you read the Scriptures with a disbelieving mind, a
> skeptical attitude, I don't see how you can absorb any of it.

>
> I know you won't like hearing this again,

> and other believers may have
> had a different experience, but I think you have to prove yourself to
> God with a long period of belief/faith (by turning to Him in prayer
> with trust for help and guidance) before He reveals Himself to you in
> any certain manner.

>(And I don't mean a long period of waiting to see
> if there's any reason to believe. If you are skeptical, pray for
> something to occur to change that, if that is what you want.) For some
> reason, I didn't experience any skepticism, but I was a believer for
> years before I received confirmation that changed belief to knowing.
> Everyone's experience is different, likely because we are all
> different and require different things to be sufficient as proof.
>
> John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou
> wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?