>On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:50:39 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
>

>> On Apr 8, 6:34 pm, Frank Mayhar exit.com> wrote:

>>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:58:09 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:

>>>> On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, Frank Mayhar exit.com> wrote:

>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:56:44 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>> On Apr 8, 12:20 am, Frank Mayhar exit.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:47:26 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 9:40 pm, Frank Mayhar exit.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:14:26 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> And believe me, I didn't take the occurrence during my son's
>>>>>>>>>> birth lightly. I was stunned and amazed and stayed amazed
>>>>>>>>>> and incredibly happy for three weeks, and it wasn't just a
>>>>>>>>>> response to 'the miracle of birth', or that my beautiful
>>>>>>>>>> baby had been safely born and was healthy;

>>>

>>>>>>>>> Of _course_ not.  And it _certainly_ couldn't have been
>>>>>>>>> because of those wonderful postpartum hormones that were
>>>>>>>>> flooding through your body the whole time!  You know, the ones
>>>>>>>>> that cause women to forget, a little, just how bad the
>>>>>>>>> experience was and to instantly and deeply bond with their
>>>>>>>>> child?  The ones that can cause massive and sudden mood
>>>>>>>>> swings?

>>>

>>>>>>>>>> the amazement came from the response I got that I would not
>>>>>>>>>> have really expected without an iota of doubt because I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't feel deserving of it, deep-down I believed it was
>>>>>>>>>> possible for others, but not for me.

>>>

>>>>>>>>> What you don't understand is that the "didn't feel deserving"
>>>>>>>>> thing is what set you up for the "religious experience."  Good
>>>>>>>>> feelings are incredibly powerful, especially when one is
>>>>>>>>> unaccustomed to them.  The rush of hormones you felt was
>>>>>>>>> nothing special.  Your _reaction_ to that rush was, however,
>>>>>>>>> to cast it in the shape of your religious beliefs. And,
>>>>>>>>> /voila/, there was your "proof" of your belief.

>>>

>>>>>>>>> (Come to think of it, _I_ was unaccustomed to good feelings,
>>>>>>>>> myself, a state that was unaffected by my religious conversion
>>>>>>>>> and has only subsided since I've been taking antidepressant
>>>>>>>>> medication and attending therapy.  I guess God is just not
>>>>>>>>> very powerful when it comes to bad feelings, eh?)

>>>>>>>> I did not have postpartum depression nor mood swings. I was
>>>>>>>> extremely healthy throughout the whole pregnancy and following.
>>>>>>>> I forgot nothing and remember what pains I had extremely well.

>>>

>>>>>>> You're still having trouble with your reading comprehension,
>>>>>>> Loonie Linda.  I didn't say that _you_ had postpartum depression,
>>>>>>> nor did I say that _you_ had mood swings.  (Further, I'll bet
>>>>>>> that you don't remember the pain you had as clearly as you think
>>>>>>> you do.)  It's also irrelevant that you were healthy.  The
>>>>>>> effects of the postpartum hormones are powerful and inescapable,
>>>>>>> for all that they affect different people in different ways. --

>>>

>>>>>> I had no hormonal imbalances the entire pregnancy. I had no
>>>>>> morning sickness and no mood swings the entire pregnancy and
>>>>>> following it -- no mood swings. I felt 'as healthy than a horse'
>>>>>> during and after.

>>>

>>>>> Of course, I said nothing about "hormonal imbalances," "morning
>>>>> sickness" or your health.  I explicitly said most recently that I
>>>>> wasn't referring to you having "mood swings," as well.  Learn to
>>>>> read, Loonie Linda.

>>>

>>>>>> Are you speaking from experience? I don't think so, Frank. I am. I
>>>>>> am aware many women have mood swings during and after their
>>>>>> pregnancies. Not everyone does, and I did not.

>>>

>>>>>> How silly of a man to try to argue with a woman over what
>>>>>> pregnancy and giving birth is actually like for her individually.

>>>

>>>>> This is called a "straw man" argument, Linda, and it, too, is a
>>>>> fallacy. You erect an easily-demolished argument that has nothing to
>>>>> do with the issue at hand, demolish it and declare victory.  Of
>>>>> course, you just "defeated" an argument that I wasn't making.

>>>

>>>>> None of what you claim contradicts the fact that your experience is
>>>>> trivially attributable to hormone levels and endorphin release
>>>>> during childbirth.  It had nothing whatsoever to do with "God" or
>>>>> your religious beliefs except insofar as you misattributed your
>>>>> experience to that cause.

>>>> How silly of a man to try to argue with a woman over what pregnancy
>>>> and giving birth is actually like for her individually.

>>>
>>> Nice straw man you're kicking there.  Did you stuff it yourself or did
>>> you steal it from some other loonie?
>>>
>>> Again:  None of what you claim contradicts the fact that your
>>> experience is trivially attributable to hormone levels and endorphin
>>> release during childbirth.  It had nothing whatsoever to do with "God"
>>> or your religious beliefs except insofar as you misattributed your
>>> experience to that cause.
>>>
>>> And this also has nothing whatsoever to do with "what your pregnancy
>>> was like."

>> You're an ass.

>
>Ah, yes, you're in the endgame. Nothing but insults. You can't support
>what you're saying so you resort to "you're a man so you can't
>understand" and when I don't buy your bullshit you fall back to insult.
>
>You're quite a "witness for Christ," I must say. Exemplifying the
>epitome of Christianity.