On Apr 5, 7:58Â am, "Fred" wrote:
>>On Apr 4, 3:13 pm, "Fred" wrote:
>>> Consider this: You, Linda, are here because one out of a couple of
>>> million
>>> sperm (released on that particular occasion) from your father fertilized
>>> one
>>> (released during that particular ovulation cycle) of a large number of
>>> eggs
>>> from your mother. If it had been a different sperm or a different egg
>>> then
>>> *you* wouldn't be here. Some other woman or some man might have been
>>> produced but would that person be *you*? (I would have to say "no... it
>>> would not be you.")
>>I disagree. *I* would be here whichever sperm inpregnated that
>>particular egg at that time, because the real me is my spirit, and it
>>was the time for my spirit to be born into flesh. My body and
>>personality would be different, but it would still contain the same
>>soul/spirit that is me.
>
> I'm happy to see that your answer here is not in conflict with your overall
> view. Â And, it seems to me that no one could possibly prove that you are
> wrong in what you have written above.
I know, it is totally subjective, but I don't feel the need to hide it
to avoid criticism, either.
>
>>When I was pregnant with my son, who is now a grown-up, I tried to
>>imagine what he would be like, and he is exactly as I imagined him to
>>be, including being an artist. He drew from the time he was two, and
>>not being able to represent on paper exactly what he wanted was the
>>only thing that caused him to be angry as a child. He'd ball up the
>>paper, and throw it down. It was very cute. The point is, I was
>>carrying him inside my body, and I was able to intuitively know him
>>before he was born. (I don't care what the outrage is in response to
>>this. I, better than anyone, know my own experiences.)
>
> Unfortunately, a study of one doesn't prove much. Â It could have simply been
> a lucky guess. Â (How many mothers have an intuition about their children
> that turn out to be completely wrong? Â How many mothers have no intuitions
> at all? My wife had no such intuition.) Â Sounds to me like your intuition
> about your son serves to you as evidence of the existence of spirits
> (possibly not your only evidence). Â But one person's intuition turning out
> correct would not be seen as conclusive proof.
I understand. I didn't really expect it either. But it did seem I knew
him and loved him prior to his birth. I had never been one to want a
child badly either; I was afraid of the responsibility of guiding
another human being so he wouldn't be really messed up. It turned out
to be a most wonderful experience, motherhood and even pregnancy.
>
> But... if you believe that people have a spirit do you believe that animals
> have a spirit as well? Â If I recall correctly, not too long ago you wrote
> that buffalo appear to show love (it had something to do with a calf and a
> lion attack). Â So... are animals also endowed with a spirit?- Hide quoted text -
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Yes, the Scriptures indicate that Heaven includes the spirit of
animals, but they aren't held to accountability like man; they aren't
here to repent, but for others reasons. You've probably heard how the
entire ecosystem depends on the activities of certain animals,
insects.
If you don't believe that animals can love each other, you should
watch that video on YouTube; it was really touching and impressive.
First when the water buffalo saw this pride of lionesses, the herd ran
off to a great distance, but when they looked back and saw about five
or six lions had ahold of one lone pretty big calf, a bunch of the
water buffalo (males I think unless both genders all have big horns)
ran back as a group, and instead of stampling the lions to death, they
cautiously approached and charged at them, and flipped them one at a
time into the air until most of them ran off. One particularly
stubborn lioness would not leave even when confronted with these huge
threatening water buffalo, and the video ended with one buffalo
chasing her out of the picture. The water buffalo outnumbered and
outsized them, and could have killed these lionesses, but they didn't
even try; they just wanted them to leave and not to eat the calf that
the herd apparently loved enough to risk their own safety dealing with
the lionesses. (One lone full-grown buffalo would still be at risk of
being killed by a pride of half a dozen lionessses.)
Another odd thing (perhaps because the lionesses were starving), the
calf had tried to run into the water to get away from the lions, and a
crocodile grabbed ahold of its tail (I think, the back of it anyway),
and the lionesses wouldn't give up the calf even though this crocodile
was not on the scene, too, and they had a tug of war with him, which
the lionesses won right before the herd ran up to save the calf. And
the calf didn't appear all torn up either. The video is only about
10-15 minutes long. One of the most incredible things I've seen in
relation to animals.
