"Darrell Stec"
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news:47d0b6a3$0$24089$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...> Suzanne wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mike Painter"
sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:RXozj.7767$Mh2.5873@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...>>> Suzanne wrote:
>>>>> Suzanne wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Painter"
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>>>>>> news:LbJxj.7790$Mw.6092@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...>>>>>>> Suzanne wrote:
>>>>>>>> So what you are saying I believe is that you want
>>>>>>>> to be treated with respect. People apply different
>>>>>>>> definitions to what respect is, though. So what is
>>>>>>>> respect? Is it letting someone alone, or is it telling
>>>>>>>> them they are in danger if they don't know it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neither of your comments defines respect in any way.
>>>>>> You are exhibiting how not to act with respect, Mike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So your defintion of respect now includes not telling somebody that
>>>>> they don't seem to have any concept of the meaning of the word?
>>>>>
>>>>> Still waiting for the answer to my bible questions. You and Jason
>>>>> would have done well together.
>>>> I've asked several times what your questions are.
>>>> I am not sure that I know the answers, but I will
>>>> tell you if I know.
>>>>>
>>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> Been there, heard that, just like Jason.
>>> If you were actually interested you would have responded the first or
>>> second or third time I repeated them.
>>> But you don't and you don't seem concerned enough or able to find them.
>>>
>>> Typical of most of you. Pretend it was not asked.
>> Have I answered the wrong Mike and thought it was you?
>> Here is what I wrote:
>> --
>> Reprint:
>> --
>> Wasn't this you that said this?...
>> --
>>>>OK Suzanne, I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the bible it
>>>>is
>>>>called the bible and where in the bible it says the bible is the word of
>>>>god. You don't seem to understand the question because you haven't
>>>>answered it.
>>>
>> Here is what I answered with:
>> --
>> I answered this already. It doesn't say in the Bible
>
> That is exactly what everybody has been telling you.
>
>> that it
>> is the Bible, it says that it is the "word."
>
> No, it doesn't. Some quotes are supposedly the word of god while others
> are
> the word of Adam, or Eve or Joshua, or Paul. Think about this for a
> moment. If the syllogism that 'all German Shepards are dogs' is true,
> does
> it also mean that all dogs are German Shepards? In essence that is what
> you are trying to convey.
>
> In addition you are confusing the Hellenistic concept of Jesus, the god,
> the
> word made flesh of John with the ordinary words in a book as we use it.
> Those two are not the same. Just like you do not understand why the Holy
> Spirit was once female, the theology of John is way over your head.
>
>
>> I gave you scriptures
>> as well. As you must surely know, Jesus read the Old Testament
>> Scriptures, and he called this "the word" in several places.
>
> You are right. It was the Old Testament. And when you read the
> word "scriptures" which actually only means writing, it sometimes refers
> to
> the Old Testament and not the New Testament. And sometimes it means plain
> old writing. It is because of the obfuscation of the translators that you
> see the word scriptures when you should simply see writing.
>
>> But "bible" is a word that came later because of the kind of
>> material the scriptures were eventually written upon.
>
> No, otherwise you have to explain why every writing on papyrus was and is
> called the bible. Bible comes from the Greek biblion meaning book, a
> diminutive of biblos meaning papyrus. It came about because some of the
> hundreds of books on the topic of god and Jesus were compiled into one
> book. It took quite some time for even the four gospels to be included in
> a collection of their own. It had nothing to do with the material they
> were written on. In essence bible means collection of books.
>
>> Heretofore,
>> the word was written on scrolls that may have been animal skins,
>
> Some were -- goat skin to be exact.
>
>> but the Ten Commandments were written on stone.
>
> And Ron's magic wand was broken in the Harry Potter story. Both stories
> have the same verisimilitude.
>
>> It's my
>> understanding that the kind of papyrus that people used onto
>> which to write scriptures came from the Phoenician city named
>> "Byblos."
>
> You misunderstand your own links. The city was given that name by the
> Greeks because that was where they bought their papyrus from.
>
>
> That is pretty but has nothing to do with anything.
>
>
>> This city is mentioned in 1 Kings 5:32.
>
> No it isn't. Did you check? First of all Kings chapter five does not
> have
> 32 verses. Secondly Byblos is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament
> nor anywhere in the New Testament.
>
>
>> The city is believed to
>> have been founded around 5000 B.C. It's believed to be the oldest
>> continuously-inhabited city in the world.
>
> If the city was founded in 5000 BCE then believing in Noah's Ark, Adam &
> Eve, or the Tower of Babel is just plain silly because Byblos was founded
> before the creation of the world (except Genesis really did not use the
> word create nor creation). Your argumentation is totally inconsistent from
> one post to the next. Do you ever bother to stop and think about what you
> write?
>
>
>>>
>> Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane the night he
>> was taken by the soldiers to go to trial. John tells of
>> this prayer in which Jesus said to the heavenly Father,
>> "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
>> John 17:17.
>> Jesus goes on to say in that prayer a prayer for those
>> who will live in the future, and he prays for those in
>> the future...
>> "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which
>> shall believe on me through their word"
>> John 17:20.
>>>
>> "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man
>> shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
>> Luke 4:4
>>>
>> Acts 6:7a. says
>> "And the word of God increased; and the number of the
>> disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly"
>>>
>> As the church grew it says in the New Testament:
>> "But the word of God grew and multiplied."
>
> Parts of the Old Testament.
>
>> --
>> So the testimony of his followers became that part
>> of God's word that grew, and that is what the
>> New Testament is: the testimony of those who
>> followed Jesus, whose words reach people even
>> in 2008:
>
> That is not correct. The word of god in every example you used is the Old
> Testament or more correctly some parts of it. The canon of the Old
> Testament was not even fixed in any of your quotes.
>
>> "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the
>> word of God."
>> Romans 10:17
>
> The word of god here is the Old Testament.
>
>>>
>> "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
>> the Spirit, which is the word of God"
>> Ephesians 6:17
>
> The word of god here is the Old Testament for which the canon had not been
> determined at that time. Some times the word is translated to mean more
> like idea or thought. But even so, it does not specify what that word was
> or which books of the Old Testament they pertained to. In some instances
> it might have narrowly meant the Torah or Pentateuch.
>
You are wrong, Darrell. You are trying to prove that you
think that the Bible is terribly flawed. That was not the
question that had been asked. Here is what was asked:
----
THE QUESTION IS:
(quote:)
"OK Suzanne, I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the bible it
is
called the bible and where in the bible it says the bible is the word of
god. You don't seem to understand the question because you haven't
answered it."
--------
I have answered this question according to what was asked.
The question was "show me where in the bible it is called
the bible and where in the bible it says the bible is the word
of god."
I answered this exactly.
>
Suzanne
